Advantage 2,769 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 To S37 VAS 1st S37 HSK 3rd S38 VAS 3rd Damien Sandow Guido Schwarz Esq. To Keiji Toriyama S37 NYA 4th Accept. I really don't want to move Toriyama but this draft is looking good and I have a chance at grabbing another solid prospect with that first. Appreciate everything Streetlight has done for New York and I wish him the best of luck in Vasteras (he will have to waive his NTC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corco 1,124 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Vasteras accepts. Definitely sucks to lose a S37 1st, but for a player of Toriyama's caliber, you have to. I'm very happy to bring in Streetlight, a guy who I respected very much when I first joined the league (and still do). He is having an amazing season and I'm hoping to see him and Janssen continue to light it up on a line together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,525 Posted January 24, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well then. I guess if there was a time for Vasteras to strike, it would be now. Toriyama's tour of the VHL continues. And fuck yes 4th round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megster 63 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 oh bye streetlight, we were trade buddies for a little bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle 667 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 How long is Toriyama's contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,617 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 that S37 1st tho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,769 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 How long is Toriyama's contract? 1 more year left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Bears just got there playoff ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarch 2,939 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Good luck in Vasteras Streetlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STZ 5,279 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Bears just got there playoff ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,254 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 No wonder I didn't get any points against Calgary. Was fun in New York. Good bunch of guys, hope you find success in the future. Megster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Wow Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Baozi 1,635 Posted January 25, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2014 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Wow. I go into this on the Pajodcast but just wow. If you look at it in the big picture, Chris traded a S37 Vasteras 2nd round pick for Toriyama. So by proxy, the trade has pretty much become. S37 Vasteras 2nd Round Pick S37 NYA 4th Round Pick for S37 Vas 1st S37 HSK 3rd S38 Vas 3rd Sandow Gudio Can I face palm yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,254 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Wow. I go into this on the Pajodcast but just wow. If you look at it in the big picture, Chris traded a S37 Vasteras 2nd round pick for Toriyama. So by proxy, the trade has pretty much become. S37 Vasteras 2nd Round Pick S37 NYA 4th Round Pick for S37 Vas 1st S37 HSK 3rd S38 Vas 3rd Sandow Gudio Can I face palm yet? And Jason pretty much turned me into a free second round pick. But I would actually say that Chris traded more than a 2nd round pick for me, unless you want to say that Tremblay and I had the same value in that trade (I would not say that, by the way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,769 Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 And Jason pretty much turned me into a free second round pick. But I would actually say that Chris traded more than a 2nd round pick for me, unless you want to say that Tremblay and I had the same value in that trade (I would not say that, by the way). The trade was originally a 2nd for Tremblay. Then we added a 2nd to get you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,525 Posted January 25, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 25, 2014 Wow. I go into this on the Pajodcast but just wow. If you look at it in the big picture, Chris traded a S37 Vasteras 2nd round pick for Toriyama. So by proxy, the trade has pretty much become. S37 Vasteras 2nd Round Pick S37 NYA 4th Round Pick for S37 Vas 1st S37 HSK 3rd S38 Vas 3rd Sandow Gudio Can I face palm yet? If you want to be a dick you may face palm whenever you want. But trading for an inactive and trading for an active who is among the league's leading scorers are two very different things. solas and diamond_ace 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If you want to be a dick you may face palm whenever you want. But trading for an inactive and trading for an active who is among the league's leading scorers are two very different things. Victor, I love Streetlight as a member but he has himself said he doesn't know if he will even stick it out full with him. He has been off and on active his entire career and it could even be argued that Street is not worth a 1st round pick by itself, much less the rest of what happened in this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,525 Posted January 25, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 25, 2014 what else happened in this deal? two 3rds and a cap dump? HOLY OVERPAYMENT BATMAN! If any seller in the post-expansion doesn't get a 1st for a player who's not a pending FA and isn't retiring, they're a shit seller (this is something you could call Corco out on, but he's recovered well enough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I apologize if I come off as a dick, as I have supported tons of Corco's move in the past and criticized others. I just think that at the end of the day a high end depth player like Toriyama is not worth a 1st, two thirds, and two low end depth players. Street has a super high salary, has had consistency issues regarding this current player. All negatives. Yet Corco gave up probably the most anyone could get for Street at this point. Which is saying something imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,617 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Not worth a (likely) midrange 1st (6 or 7) in this draft to upgrade Sandow and Schwarz. No offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corco 1,124 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I apologize if I come off as a dick, as I have supported tons of Corco's move in the past and criticized others. I just think that at the end of the day a high end depth player like Toriyama is not worth a 1st, two thirds, and two low end depth players. Street has a super high salary, has had consistency issues regarding this current player. All negatives. Yet Corco gave up probably the most anyone could get for Street at this point. Which is saying something imo. Those two depth players had to be moved to make cap room for another player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corco 1,124 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 And also, what do you want me to do? End up like Seattle with a plethora of 1st round picks, yet still have to fight to make the playoffs? Everybody glamorizes first round picks like they are diamonds, yet they don't always work out. Look at it like this, in terms of first round pick success, from S30-S35 (too early to determine S36): S30 Round One 1. HELSINKI TITANS: Ethan Osborne, 135 TPE 2. CALGARY WRANGLERS: Yuri Grigorenko, 191 TPE 3. RIGA REIGN: Alexander Valiq, 171 TPE 4. SEATTLE BEARS (from Vasteras): Adam Harris, 120 TPE BUST 5. NEW YORK AMERICANS: Jeff Phinney, 123 TPE BUST 6. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from Seattle via Toronto via Riga): Roberto Martucci, 115 TPE 7. HELSINKI TITANS (from Davos): Smooth Jive, 108 TPE 8. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from Toronto via Seattle): Henrik Larsson, 113 TPE - Semi-bust S31 Round One 1. RIGA REIGN (from Quebec City): Josef Heiss Jr. - Semi-bust 2. COLOGNE EXPRESS: Kameron Taylor 3. TORONTO LEGION (from Riga): Nikita Lebedev 4. HELSINKI TITANS: Till Lindemann 5. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES: Samu Heiskanen - Semi-bust 6. TORONTO LEGION: Remy LeBeau 7. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from New York): Malcom Spud 8. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from Davos via New York): David Poulin BUST 9. HELSINKI TITANS (from Seattle): Felix Leiter BUST 10. QUEBEC CITY MEUTE (from Calgary): Sergey Brovalenko S32 Round One 1. TORONTO LEGION: Jack Sound 2. QUEBEC CITY MEUTE: Niklas Valiq 3. HELSINKI TITANS (from Vasteras via Seattle): Anatoli Zhumbayev 4. COLOGNE EXPRESS: Evgeni Chekhov 5. SEATTLE BEARS: Damien Sandow BUST 6. SEATTLE BEARS (from Helsinki): Zack Sound 7. TORONTO LEGION (from Riga): Jamie Shetler Semi-bust 8. CALGARY WRANGLERS: Chico Salmon 9. SEATTLE BEARS (from New York): Matt Rielly BUST 10. CALGARY WRANGLERS (from Davos via New York): Cody Inko S33 Round One 1. HC DAVOS DYNAMO: Wesley Kellinger 2. SEATTLE BEARS: Karsten Olsen 3. TORONTO LEGION: Odin Tordahl 4. CALGARY WRANGLERS (from Cologne via New York): Tomas Valiq 5. QUEBEC CITY MEUTE: Felix Zamora 6. HELSINKI TITANS (from Vasteras via Seattle): Willie Weber 7. CALGARY WRANGLERS: GIYGAS 8. SEATTLE BEARS (from Helsinki): Keiji Toriyama 9. RIGA REIGN: Jarkko Olsen - Semi-bust 10. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from New York): David Collier S34 Round One 1. QUEBEC CITY MEUTE: RW - Doug Clifford 2. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES: LW - Willem Janssen 3. SEATTLE BEARS: G - Steven Smyl 4. COLOGNE EXPRESS: C - Davey Jones 5. TORONTO LEGION: D - Ville Sixten 6. SEATTLE BEARS (from Davos): LW - Mikey Blade 7. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from Calgary): LW - Simon Tremblay - Semi-bust 8. SEATTLE BEARS (from Helsinki via Davos): D - Gabrial Johnson BUST 9. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from New York): LW - Boone Cassidy BUST 10. RIGA REIGN: D - Shane Baker S35 Round One 1. HC DAVOS DYNAMO: G - Lennox Moher 2. HELSINKI TITANS (from Toronto): C - Naomi Young 3. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES: LW - Leon Leitner 4. HC DAVOS DYNAMO (from Seattle): RW - Tony Stark BUST 5. RIGA REIGN (from Cologne): D - Edwin Encarnacion BUST 6. NEW YORK AMERICANS: D - Conner Low 7. SEATTLE BEARS (from Riga): RW - Brennan McQueen 8. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from Quebec via Davos via Riga): C - Frédérik Ernst BUST 9. HC DAVOS DYNAMO (from Calgary): LW - Earl Parker BUST 10. HELSINKI TITANS: D - Tyler Owens - Semi-bust Now, I'm just going to assume that Cologne is going to continue to sell, so that Vasteras will not have a lottery pick, so now look at the boom/bust ratio of non-lottery picks. S30 Round One5. NEW YORK AMERICANS: Jeff Phinney, 123 TPE BUST6. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from Seattle via Toronto via Riga): Roberto Martucci, 115 TPE7. HELSINKI TITANS (from Davos): Smooth Jive, 108 TPE8. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from Toronto via Seattle): Henrik Larsson, 113 TPE - Semi-bust S31 Round One5. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES: Samu Heiskanen - Semi-bust6. TORONTO LEGION: Remy LeBeau7. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from New York): Malcom Spud8. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from Davos via New York): David Poulin BUST9. HELSINKI TITANS (from Seattle): Felix Leiter BUST10. QUEBEC CITY MEUTE (from Calgary): Sergey Brovalenko S32 Round One5. SEATTLE BEARS: Damien Sandow BUST6. SEATTLE BEARS (from Helsinki): Zack Sound7. TORONTO LEGION (from Riga): Jamie Shetler Semi-bust8. CALGARY WRANGLERS: Chico Salmon9. SEATTLE BEARS (from New York): Matt Rielly BUST10. CALGARY WRANGLERS (from Davos via New York): Cody Inko S33 Round One5. QUEBEC CITY MEUTE: Felix Zamora6. HELSINKI TITANS (from Vasteras via Seattle): Willie Weber7. CALGARY WRANGLERS: GIYGAS8. SEATTLE BEARS (from Helsinki): Keiji Toriyama9. RIGA REIGN: Jarkko Olsen - Semi-bust10. VASTERAS IRON EAGLES (from New York): David Collier S34 Round One5. TORONTO LEGION: D - Ville Sixten6. SEATTLE BEARS (from Davos): LW - Mikey Blade7. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from Calgary): LW - Simon Tremblay - Semi-bust8. SEATTLE BEARS (from Helsinki via Davos): D - Gabrial Johnson BUST9. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from New York): LW - Boone Cassidy BUST10. RIGA REIGN: D - Shane Baker S35 Round One5. RIGA REIGN (from Cologne): D - Edwin Encarnacion BUST6. NEW YORK AMERICANS: D - Conner Low7. SEATTLE BEARS (from Riga): RW - Brennan McQueen8. COLOGNE EXPRESS (from Quebec via Davos via Riga): C - Frédérik Ernst BUST9. HC DAVOS DYNAMO (from Calgary): LW - Earl Parker BUST10. HELSINKI TITANS: D - Tyler Owens - Semi-bust I'm not saying that the S37 VAS 1st will be a bust, however I don't think assuming that it will be a player that reaches Toriyama's current TPE is correct either. solas and boubabi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle 667 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Hm, Taylor to Vasty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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