studentized 166 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 A couple weeks back I made a fairly simple post tracking giveaways and takeaways in the VHL (see here). I cherry picked some of the leaders in some categories I thought were interesting, but that didn't really tell the whole picture. So to start off this media spot, I thought I'd include a full individual leaderboard below. I've haven't been successful getting this html to embed in one of these forum posts so I've ended up just adding it as an attachment. Let me know if its broken for anyone, but it should be viewable in just about any browser. takeaways-leaderboard.html A couple of good points were brought up to me regarding that past article. The one that stuck with me the most is the whole "Why should we care?" aspect. Are giveaways and takeaways even worth tracking in the VHL? Do more takeaways make a better player? More giveaways a worse one? More importantly, how do they affect wins at a team level? To start answering this last question, let's just look at the team rankings below combined with their place in the standings. Team GP W L OTL P Takeaways Giveaways Diff Malmo 72 46 20 6 98 9803 9541 262 Riga 72 46 22 4 96 9701 9679 22 Helsinki 72 45 22 5 95 9797 9851 -54 Seattle 72 43 24 5 91 10051 10036 15 HC Davos 72 40 22 10 90 9852 9732 120 Moscow 72 40 30 2 82 9701 9782 -81 Vancouver 72 35 28 9 79 10030 9974 56 Calgary 72 35 32 5 75 9658 9602 56 Toronto 72 29 29 14 72 9930 9930 0 New York 72 30 35 7 67 10048 10135 -87 Prague 72 23 40 9 55 10058 10083 -25 D.C. 72 20 49 3 43 9349 9633 -284 From looking at the above you can argue that some relationship probably does exist, but it's not clear how strong or how important that relationship is. The top and the bottom of the standings happen to be the best and the worst in turnover differential, but the middle is not as nice. So how should we look at his? One thing we could try is to compare the accuracy that turnover differential has on predicting wins to the accuracy of another, more common stat. It's widely believed that the team that shoots the puck more, scores more (and so wins more), so shot differential can serve as a nice comparison stat. In S68, the team that won the shots differential won the game 66.1% of the time. I wanted to compare this same metric to teams that won the turnover differential. Turns out that teams that won the turnover differential won only 52.1% of the games. At first glance, this feels low but the more you think about, the more it makes sense. Keep in mind that the more a team possesses a puck, the more chances for giveaways (and less chances for takeaways) they have. Considering the extreme case where one team possesses the puck for close to the entireity of the game, said team would almost certainly win but also lose the turnover battle. So a better metric would measure "takeaways per some unit of possession allowed". The closest metric measuring puck possession that I can use is shots. With this new metric of "takeaways per shot allowed", we get that teams winning this differential end up winning the game 65.5% of the time. One thing lost in both these stats is how badly a team won/lost the turnover differential. A single more takeaway than giveaway might not sway a game much, but 20 more might. This is represented in the data above; when looking at all the games where the team won the turnover battle (as defined by my new stat) but still ended up losing the game, we find that the average turnover difference is 20% smaller than normal. This supports the notion that games that are closer in turnover differential, often end up going either way in terms of the final result. One good way to actually model this would be with a linear logistic regression which would try to model how the magnitude of turnover difference affects the probability of winning. I might end up doing this another week, but for now I'm out of words to write. 608 words Tagger and ConnorMcdavid 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71566-do-takeaways-and-giveaways-matter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
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