Mr_Hatter

Cmon omg, you know as well as I there is no way he visited me without someone lying. If Gus messed up then Gus messed up, but assuming the game was ran as it is supposed to then there is no way 16z visited me. Which means since no one is fessing up to being shot, it has to have been osens ghoul, which since he can't be necro, means he can't be lying. There aren't any ways that someone could have had powerful protection. Honestly hatty omg and flex are all seeming like mafia to me. They know that 16z can't have visited me, because there's no way anyone could have had powerful protection. Not to mention some of the strongest players in the game haven't been targeted yet, ESPECIALLY as a Doc, BG, and Investigator? Nah man.

Honestly we never should have questioned 16z, as crazy as his claims were, just because he has to have been the amne investigator, there's no one else lol.

So I'd say this is some bs. I think hatty and flex are trying to cover for eachother, and this was their one idea as to how to prove it. omg too maybe, since he is the one who found hatty if I remember correctly.

If you alert and get a message saying you were attacked, but do not get a message saying you attacked a visitor, it means you were hit by an Astral attack; realistically, this means a Hex Master with the Necronomicon. Note that you were still Hexed and will still die if the Hex goes off!

Who found you to be Doc again? If we do vote osens and he is telling the truth we can probably get two birds stoned at once here, so I'm not necessarily opposed. Are we sure Hex Master Astral visits will actually trigger a vet? I'm honestly don't know @GustavMattias IDK if this is something you can answer, but if a HM with Necro attacks a vet does the vet get a message saying they shot someone?

If osens was lying, someone has to have visited me and been healed. Flex says he went on Al N4, hatty says he went on Flex, and trapper isn't really applicable here. PM was rb'd. There aren't any other options that I can think of. So to me, there is no way osens was lying. Now it comes down to whether or not you trust that I alerted N4, and in the event that I didn't alert, happened to be converted along with 16z investigating me and I'm lying about alerting/shooting one person to protect osens or something like that. Of course I know I'm not, but yeah that's how this game works lol. VOTE HATTY This is the only logic that makes sense to me here. osens and hatty are directly in contradiction. FWIW osens can RB someone tonight, I guess, to confirm. Then if they say they weren't rb'd we know one of them is directly lying. Alternatively they both could be evil, but unless someone was protected N4 and visited me there is no way that osens was not retri that night, as far as I can tell.

Actually, if Necro is 100% dead since it was a lynch, then here is the deal. Either osens is retri or he is lying. If he is lying, then someone HAS TO HAVE VISITED ME with protection, because otherwise there would be a death, since I shot exactly one person. I understand the vampire worry, but as someone who 100% knows I am town and 100% knows I shot exactly one person N4, I can't in good conscience vote osens right now, which to me points to hatty lying.

If osens is lying, someone has to have been healed and visited me. However PM was RB'd, and the doc and BG were on people who claim to have not visited me.

So here's the deal. I 100% shot someone that night, and only a single person. Which means that unless someone was attacked and healed, there is no way that they went on me UNLESS it was osens ghoul, either as retri or necro if spartan was forged. Putting it in a different way, I either shot a ghoul or a person with powerful defense.

I am literally so confused as to what happened N4. For the record, I only got one notification the night 16z was supposed to visit me, which means I only shot one person. So either he literally just lied about visiting me (rip) or osens didn't send the doc to me, but if we really do have necro dead then he can't be a baddie? Are we absolutely positive that he could be retri here? But also also if 16 didn't lie that means he visited me but was healed? jesus. I think we just have to assume 16z lied about visiting me, and osens is telling the truth, because the alternative is that someone healed 16z which doesn't seem possible. My one thought is that mafia forged spartan and that osens is actually the necromancer, and instead of sending doc to me sent doc on 16z, but considering he didn't say he was attacked I think I gotta assume he was just lying. It just feels like there is forger shenanigans going on somewhere lol. Way too many evils, things just don't line up. Maybe I'm just paranoid from any all

hence why I asked if anyone was healed last night.

Oh I did haha. Just wasn't confirming it until I caught 16z in a lie

VOTE 16z I alerted last night and I shot someone; presumably osens's ghoul could be necro or retri. I didn't kill 16z, so either lying or had defense @omgitshim this is also to answer your earlier question; I was waiting until this to say whether or not I alerted

Did you notice the part where I said in the future? Its not that hard to do; there are a lot of people in the game so keeping info as accessible as possible is very helpful ; I don't remember when the last time every single person posted was.

In the future, would you be able to give all your results every time? Will help us notice things

Also no coven kill, was anyone attacked and healed? Also also, they should have necro now.

Alright, lets get all the claims out on the table. What was everyone's invest results? @16z, what did you find?

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so sixers is coming up and talking about eagles as if he was still alive. Could just be new, but might be worth pushing. For what its worth, I'm not sure if we have enough votes, but Unvote Matty for now (unsure if I voted him yet). Feeling very jesterish and I am I think the only confirmed town. I will revote if we need the votes though, someone ping me on discord if we need it.

Seems like an easy lynch to me, that's an unfortunate results mixup.

VOTE LEFTY for now

Basically he isn't guaranteed whatsoever. Like at all. See my earlier post for n1 psychic, and then GA protection shows that regardless of if they were attacked or not, we have literally no way of knowing. Considering we presumably have 2 evil factions barring some sort of shenanigans, he could easily be evil even if he was attacked.

Eagles or jhatty feeling VERY jesterish rn. Would lean towards eagles being legit, as if there was a real jailor he would have been executed last night, and fake claiming jailor as a jester is very difficult for that reason. But could be a trademark GUS moment

In fact there is some math that supports that your n1 visions are more likely to have 2 evil, I believe, since it's possible we just lynched one of the two randoms in your vision, not your "guaranteed evil" What I mean by that is first an evil is chosen, and then two randoms are chosen, which could be evil. It's possible we hit a random rather than the guaranteed. That being said, idk how Gus runs the numbers, and I don't know them perfectly myself, I just remember reading something like this on the wiki.

Theoretically we could let him live one more night in the off chance he is trapper so he can get his trap down.