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IT ALL STARTS HERE

Wasn't going to come back to this thread, but I feel that I apparently need to say this again. Defend all you want. But if graders or hell, any job here is fine with "things are better now than they were before" and don't care about possibly making things better, then there's nothing I can do anyway. Finding out that the sim is updated so infrequently (if true) is honestly a really big deal to me and is making me question a lot of things, like why even update the players so often if not to give a false sense of accomplishment that isn't actually reflected in our play until the sim gets updated? But whatever. The last couple weeks and this thread in particular has taught me not to question anything, otherwise people get pissed off. Last thing I'll say here is that people really need to learn to take constructive criticism better. Since people are mentioning that they've been busy IRL which is more important, which is a totally valid reason, maybe they need to also realize that this is essentially an online video game in other aspects as well, such as criticism. When I bring up a suggestion or question on how things could possibly be improved, I'm not personally attacking you. If I was personally attacking anyone, I would have brought up names or something. But to deny that any job that's doing well can still be done better, I dunno. Yeah, just gonna go back to lurking in my locker rooms, the last couple weeks have really soured me on the league.

FHL, do it.

These 2 episodes already have me pumped for the rest of the season.

Nope definitely left.

Well that was the impression I've always been under, knowing that makes a difference on how I feel about the entire subject. Edit- Maybe make it a little more clear that the sim doesn't get updated each time our players do? Every "rook" I've talked to is under the impression that player updates go right into the sim when we're updated.

Titans 3-1

And that's fine, but I think it's ridiculous how often "it should have just been a PM" comes up. Criticize the suggestion all you want, tons of others in here have. I enjoy the discussion. But I'm just really not understanding why this comes up with suggestions lately when it's not like it's in some inappropriate forum. This in particular I've already addressed. I'm NOT saying the graders are bad or the grading system itself is bad. I'm simply saying it could be improved. As Jala and I said, just because things are good/better now doesn't mean that they can't continue to get even better. Grading may be faster than ever before, but that doesn't mean it can't get faster.

This post has 2 of the best things ever.

I'm only gonna comment on this for now, I'll come back to the rest of the post later. Why do I keep seeing this? Why even HAVE a suggestion and complaints forum if every time someone posts something it gets this response? And in what possible way is this being "blown wildly out of proportion"? We're having a civil discussion in here. I see absolutely nothing being blown out of proportion. Healthy discussion is good for a league. I'm learning things about the grading system. If people are going to keep getting so pissy over suggestions being in the suggestion forum, maybe the forum should be removed.

I'm scared.

It is his specialty, after all. Cool sig btw, Jamie

Gorlab stop derailing my shit, bro

I'll comment on this from the GFX side of things- I'd consider applying for a grader position if I didn't think that I'd be too easy on some people. One of the things I've felt is odd about the GFX graders is that they seem to go by personal opinion on some of the signature makeups, and I don't think that's a very good grading system. With stuff like that it should be unbiased. I'm not trying to whine or anything, so I apologize in advance if that's how this comes across, but I'd like to use it as an example. In 2 of my signatures, I've used a certain font that I like. Both times, I was docked points for it basically being too fancy. I don't see why so long as it's a readable font, it can't just be given whatever points. I'm not making the signature for the graders to use, I'm making it for me- so why should I be marked down because they don't like the font I use? If I saw something on a graphic that I didn't like but it didn't look terrible or completely ruin the image, I wouldn't dock points for it. But then again maybe that's what graders are supposed to do. Again, don't know on that front.

Well sure, I suppose that's a fair point. I'm not trying to say that the situation is dire or terrible right now or anything. But let's improve it BEFORE it gets terrible, you know? As I said, if there's room for improvement, it isn't really all that smart to just dig in our heels and go "Well it's better than it was before, so let's just leave it at that for now". We should be looking for more ways to improve it.

I did see that, I personally thought it could be true but I didn't think they'd actually go with the Hunters story- I just thought maybe they had tried to just bake it into terminus with them being cannibals.

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That's good, I'm glad it's improved. That said, this is the suggestion and complaints forum. Just because it's improved doesn't mean that there isn't still room for improvement, so I posted a suggestion. I don't understand why I'm basically being shut down with "It's better than it is so you should be grateful". I'm not saying that I'm not grateful, I am. But if it's something that could be improved upon, I don't see why I can't suggest more improvement.

*shrug* It's not just those (to me anyway), guess I'm just not overly fond of how often tons of the grading is left til last minute Sunday night.

Well for sure, and I'm not trying to imply that VHL should take precedence over real life. But if it's that bad, maybe step back and try to get some other graders? And that still doesn't explain how some are finding time to come in and chat and be active for an hour or so but not grade anything in that time. TF, Gorlab's Jamie now?

Well that's exactly why I made sure that I mentioned that I do understand that it can't be an easy job. No job like that is ever really easy. That said, it doesn't change the fact that it's still their job. I've worked thankless jobs outside the internet that wore down on me, but I had to do them because it was my job that I was getting paid for. It shouldn't be any different here. I would even understand the graders being busy, but when I see them online quite often doing other stuff, I just don't know how to feel. The first thing I've done every day since I got the surveyor job is check that thread. And yes, I realize that the jobs are WORLDS apart. But I'd also feel bad if I skipped out on sending the surveys for a few days just because I happened to be worn down from doing it. I am thankful that most things are graded on time, but I dunno. I just don't think "just be grateful that it gets done on time" should be good enough.

Can we either get some more graders or get the ones we have to get it together? I get that Sunday is the day it's supposed to be graded by, but I see tons of sigs/media spots that have been up for days, while graders have been online and active, yet they're still not graded.

True, but there'll always be someone. I just wanted to be that person

omg trifecta spoilers

Oh for sure. Best part is that I've read some reddit threads where people had been predicting he'd follow comic Dale's story line, so it's looking like those people were right.