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Frank, there's different types of brown. Ignorant.

Omg grats Kingma, that's awesome!!! I know you'll do great. Kick Jala's ass, eh?

And that's fair, Boub. Like I said, for me at least the issue isn't even that the idea got shot down, it was the manner in which it was done. Just because someone doesn't think something's a good idea doesn't mean they need to ridicule the person who presented it or the idea itself, if that makes sense. There's nothing THAT ridiculous about the idea. It may be that it wouldn't work. but it's not like Frank said "Hey let's move the VHL to mars!". He made a reasonable suggestion that was met with (imo) unreasonable dislike. Can't say I do I guess, but I can say that I don't like the idea of knowing the people who "rule over me" so to speak don't even consider something someone says worth listening to when it's not a horribly offensive idea, especially when it gets ruled out as "we asked people before and they were for it". Well, maybe ask again? There's a reason laws and rules get changed as popular opinion shifts. Not saying it *has* shifted, but the fact that people are implying this shouldn't even be a discussion really bothers me.

I respectfully disagree. The BoG aren't our betters, they're just in charge. There's no reason for them to talk down to anyone. There's no real reason to make a suggestion like this private, considering it's something that effects the whole league. Making it a public post means Frank as well as the BoG can gauge public interest. The problem here was people coming in and insulting the idea, assuming they were serious with the insults (which they seemed to be).

Tl;Dr Frank suggests less teams to increase roster sizes Several people call the idea stupid Frank and others respond

That's not the issue *at all*. The issue is that since I've been here, I've seen a few threads shut down/locked/etc (including one of my own) where it was basically determined that everything that was being said by newer members was "ridiculous, embarrassing, stupid, rude, etc" (and I'm not even referring to Gorlab's meltdown), but pretty much only by the older members. I get that I'm a new member and never gonna have as much say as someone who's been around for years. But when say, I voice a concern like grading times (as I've been over on the SHL for a while now, I can confidently say their grading gets done in a FAR more timely manner than it does here) and get immediately shut down by all the pissed off graders who feel they're being mocked or ridiculed, only to see the same complaint brought up less than a month later (and I can't seem to find that thread now, did it get deleted or something?) with the exact same bs responses like "Oh, I have a job in REAL life and dont have time during the week". Well then maybe don't sign on for a job in a league that requires its members to stay active and keep things updated? I've seen several people since I've joined complain about the length of time it takes things to get graded. I posted a graphic early Wednesday morning. Yet another week where Bushito is the only person that's graded it before Sunday. Jaladolar has a 40 hour a week job, yet still finds time to do his updating job during the week on the SHL. I see several graders sitting around here during the week, posting in threads, but things don't get graded. It just seems like everyone just waits until the last minute to see if others will do it and then if not, someone jumps on it so that it gets done. I brought all this up once before and got shut down, yet 2 weeks later there were postings looking for more graders, despite being told that "everything was fine as it was and we definitely do not need more graders". It just honestly feels like if a newer member has an idea, it automatically gets shot down, even if it's a legitimate concern. And apparently even Frank gets lumped in with newer, considering he's apparently been around for years. I don't know if I want to stay a part of a league where in a few years if I have an idea to possibly help the league, it could get shot down in the way Frank's has. It wasn't enough to just say "Eh, we don't agree", it went all the way to being described as embarrassing. The only thing embarrassing here is how senior members are acting.

For sure. Definitely feels kinda like a "good old boys' club" situation going on here, and always has. It's a large part of why I went from being super active in my first few weeks to pretty much a ghost lately. I sign in, do my point tasks, check if my job needs doing, maybe say hi to a couple people, and log off.

I wasn't a member before the expansion. Imagine that, new members have different opinions than old ones.

What kind of fresh hell is this.

WTF ZOIDBERG, GTFO

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He traded me, we have to beat him.

Eyeliner where it's at, boss.

Aren't we all, though.

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