The winds of change are blowing

[jRuutu 2,466]

 

 

When you look at a team and roster that is as deep as the Vasteras roster is - the first thing you notice is the tension in the air. Competition for ice time is fierce, especially among the forwards, every practice is important. When I look at the Vasteras roster, I also see a story as old as time:  slightly younger point task earner vs slightly older and slightly better, welfare earner.  

There are a couple of these welfare earners in the Vasteras roster that are fighting for the same big roles as the younger players. The questions that everybody is wondering right now are: who has done enough during the training camp to earn the bigger roles and are the older players good enough to be placed ahead of the younger point task earners?

Managing a roster with so much talent is not easy. How are you going to keep everybody happy? If we are to believe the VSN rankings: Vasteras is ranked first in every single category. That also creates an interesting twist to the whole lineup discussion: if we are to assume a slightly better welfare user gets the bigger role over a point task doing younger player, but the wins are coming, like the experts have predicted - is that going to eliminate the complaints of those who have to play in smaller roles?   The answer is no, especially among forwards. When the roster is so much deeper than the competition you don't have to rely on the absolute best possible lineup, you can favor the point task doing younger players over slightly better welfare players.

When a roster is as deep as the Vasteras roster is, you could wonder whether a point task doing younger player accepts a smaller role if the player ahead of them is also a point task doing younger player. The answer is yes. In general, you have to, the other player is doing the same thing as you are doing, but they are just better.  

 

The difference between a welfare player and a point task-doing player is the effort put in. If a GM would simply put the two on the same line, which is something you might see more often in VHLM and VHLE as the differences are still relatively small, you would be a bad GM. It is so painfully obvious which one takes more effort: claiming welfare or doing point tasks. One can be done in less time than my computer takes to open up, the other requires a fair effort for even the most basic work. Welfare players half-ass it, the point task doing players work together to improve as much as possible. That is the difference.  If you are not actively favoring active players and putting them into prime roles  - you are a bad GM.

There has been a lot of discussion about VHLE and whether the league should even exist. I think the first step in making VHLE matter is to show the league respect, every game should matter. Every player should want to play as much as possible in every VHLE game.  For that reason, if I am not going to play the role I think I deserve - I will ask for a trade.

The time of coasting in VHLE is now over, the winds of change are blowing. Join me and demand only the best for your player.

 

[dstevensonjr 402]

I'm with you on rewarding active players, definitely what needs to be prioritized.

 

Also, I love your player card, it's really cool!

[Triller 1,669]

Take it further, if you have 2 max earners you need to judge who is putting in more work to max earn.  I'd say there are some major phone ins that are getting approved so the GMs should be checking all approvals and ranking them on their team.  You put out a boring article or a bad Photoshop you get knocked down the lineup behind someone who does actually good, entertaining work.  Your article is just crying about the system and not promoting the team, enjoy 4th line mins buddy, you earned em.

 

Great ideas here!  Good luck this season!

[dstevensonjr 402]

2 hours ago, Triller said:

Take it further, if you have 2 max earners you need to judge who is putting in more work to max earn.  I'd say there are some major phone ins that are getting approved so the GMs should be checking all approvals and ranking them on their team.  You put out a boring article or a bad Photoshop you get knocked down the lineup behind someone who does actually good, entertaining work.  Your article is just crying about the system and not promoting the team, enjoy 4th line mins buddy, you earned em.

 

Great ideas here!  Good luck this season!

I think it's a pretty reasonable complaint for a player to have. You get drafted, only to find out that you basically have nowhere to play due to roster limits for games. Can't go back down to the M, can't go up to the VHL. We keep pushing the E to be a better league so that people don't dread playing in it, but this isn't going to help things at all. How many players are going to be stuck sitting on a nightly basis for Vasteras this season? How do you tell the players who have to sit because of this that they should just keep quiet and enjoy playing once every few games in what I assume will be a rotation? The whole "draft the entire third round" thing was funny, but now there are real repercussions for the players who got drafted instead of having somewhere to actually play. Put yourself in any of those players shoes and tell me that you'd be happy with it in a sim league.

[Triller 1,669]

2 minutes ago, dstevensonjr said:

I think it's a pretty reasonable complaint for a player to have. You get drafted, only to find out that you basically have nowhere to play due to roster limits for games. Can't go back down to the M, can't go up to the VHL. We keep pushing the E to be a better league so that people don't dread playing in it, but this isn't going to help things at all. How many players are going to be stuck sitting on a nightly basis for Vasteras this season? How do you tell the players who have to sit because of this that they should just keep quiet and enjoy playing once every few games in what I assume will be a rotation? The whole "draft the entire third round" thing was funny, but now there are real repercussions for the players who got drafted instead of having somewhere to actually play. Put yourself in any of those players shoes and tell me that you'd be happy with it in a sim league.

Oh yeah, VAS has moves to make no doubt.  Never questioned that, wouldn't bother me personally to not touch the ice while I take the season to earn and head to the VHL the season after, but I get that you ain't me.  Get your E stats, call for your trades, do what you want.  Good luck on the top line if that is your E dream.  My issue is with classifying the "effort" people put in as a justification for how to treat your people.

[jRuutu 2,466]

20 hours ago, Triller said:

Take it further, if you have 2 max earners you need to judge who is putting in more work to max earn.  I'd say there are some major phone ins that are getting approved so the GMs should be checking all approvals and ranking them on their team.  You put out a boring article or a bad Photoshop you get knocked down the lineup behind someone who does actually good, entertaining work.  Your article is just crying about the system and not promoting the team, enjoy 4th line mins buddy, you earned em.

 

Great ideas here!  Good luck this season!

 

17 hours ago, Triller said:

Oh yeah, VAS has moves to make no doubt.  Never questioned that, wouldn't bother me personally to not touch the ice while I take the season to earn and head to the VHL the season after, but I get that you ain't me.  Get your E stats, call for your trades, do what you want.  Good luck on the top line if that is your E dream.  My issue is with classifying the "effort" people put in as a justification for how to treat your people.

Triller, sonny, only one user is worse than a welfare user, do you know who that is? A user who protects the welfare users.

 

Your attitude: "Oh look at me, I am a team player, I don't care about the stats, I don't even want to play" - you make me sick. My dream is not to play in the first line, my dream is not to win the championships, I am here to compete, I want to compete. The welfare users are not here to compete. That is fine, but do they deserve to be applauded for having the strength to push a couple buttons? No, welfare users are 4th line in effort, and they should be treated that way - thanks for showing up, you got the best tickets in the building, you get to watch the games from the bench.

[Triller 1,669]

14 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

 

Triller, sonny, only one user is worse than a welfare user, do you know who that is? A user who protects the welfare users.

 

Your attitude: "Oh look at me, I am a team player, I don't care about the stats, I don't even want to play" - you make me sick. My dream is not to play in the first line, my dream is not to win the championships, I am here to compete, I want to compete. The welfare users are not here to compete. That is fine, but do they deserve to be applauded for having the strength to push a couple buttons? No, welfare users are 4th line in effort, and they should be treated that way - thanks for showing up, you got the best tickets in the building, you get to watch the games from the bench.

If you're feeling sick it is likely due to this trip you are taking to try and make yourself feel better than someone who does welfare.  Take a gravol "sonny".  Yes I am a team player and I don't care about M or E stats.  Welfare players aren't being applauded nor are they being awarded.  So far, they only seem to be shit on.  I know this is your specific way of creating content so your welcome for engaging.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Triller

[jRuutu 2,466]

3 minutes ago, Triller said:

If you're feeling sick it is likely due to this trip you are taking to try and make yourself feel better than someone who does welfare.  Take a gravol "sonny".  Yes I am a team player and I don't care about M or E stats.  Welfare players aren't being applauded nor are they being awarded.  So far, they only seem to be shit on.  I know this is your specific way of creating content so your welcome for engaging.

Are you the same person who thinks

 

this:

 

 

and this: 

 

should be seen as equally worthy? 

[Triller 1,669]

3 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

Are you the same person who thinks

 

this:

 

 

and this: 

 

should be seen as equally worthy? 

Definitely not equal to me.  I find one to be better than the other, but I don't feel that way about the people who created them.

[jRuutu 2,466]

8 minutes ago, Triller said:

Definitely not equal to me.  I find one to be better than the other, but I don't feel that way about the people who created them.

One goes to your living room , the other will be hanged up on your garage wall. I think we both know which one goes to the garage. 

 

 

Spoiler

 

[Triller 1,669]

14 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

One goes to your living room , the other will be hanged up on your garage wall. I think we both know which one goes to the garage. 

 

 

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Absolutely, but I still don't claim that the person who made one should be treated better than the other.  Do what you want with the art, but if both people come to dinner, you don't make one sit in the garage to eat.

[jRuutu 2,466]

46 minutes ago, Triller said:

Absolutely, but I still don't claim that the person who made one should be treated better than the other.  Do what you want with the art, but if both people come to dinner, you don't make one sit in the garage to eat.

One sits in the nice chair, other goes to sit with the kids in the small table.

[Triller 1,669]

Just now, jRuutu said:

One sits in the nice chair, other goes to sit with the kids in the small table.

Oooff, now we might have to argue who actually wins in that scenario.

[AJW 2,157]

@Triller I understand what you’re saying but at the same time if we were GMing Houston still and had some first gen beauties working hard and earning every week, we wouldn’t play our welfare clickers over them!

 

Grunkle Stan was a welfare goat for us for 4 seasons, capped out for S89, and I still sat his ass on the third line this past season for some play because it’s just not fair to discredit the hard work that our other players put in. The highest he got was 2nd line with 2nd line special units, he was capped he still deserves good playing time, but not the best with the team we had. I’m starting a 100 TPE max earner on the first line over a 200 TPE welfare earner any day of the week. It grows our league to “push away” the people who only log in for 5 minutes a week and probably don’t even check the games everyday, and let the players who take the time to improve their player play the most ice time.

 

Like ruutu said the TPE differences in the VHLM and VHLE are so small. A welfare earner shouldn’t just have priority of first line in these leagues based on total TPE, it doesn’t make sense to do that as a GM. The players who want to work deserve it and should deserve it every single game.
 

This is also no discredit to welfare earners. If you show up every week to click buttons that’s totally fine and there’s nothing wrong with how you want to earn your TPE. But it’s needed to know that if someone is giving 100% while you’re only giving 10%, you shouldn’t even question your role on the team. If you want first line minutes you put the work in for first line minutes.
 

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by AJW

[Rin 138]

Me, casually browsing through Media Spots as a 5 TPE welfare person, who already busted my ass on 2 players and is happy to cap at 11 most weeks so I can spend time doing other things:

 

[Triller 1,669]

41 minutes ago, AJW said:

@Triller I understand what you’re saying but at the same time if we were GMing Houston still and had some first gen beauties working hard and earning every week, we wouldn’t play our welfare clickers over them!

 

Grunkle Stan was a welfare goat for us for 4 seasons, capped out for S89, and I still sat his ass on the third line this past season for some play because it’s just not fair to discredit the hard work that our other players put in. The highest he got was 2nd line with 2nd line special units, he was capped he still deserves good playing time, but not the best with the team we had. I’m starting a 100 TPE max earner on the first line over a 200 TPE welfare earner any day of the week. It grows our league to “push away” the people who only log in for 5 minutes a week and probably don’t even check the games everyday, and let the players who take the time to improve their player play the most ice time.

 

Like ruutu said the TPE differences in the VHLM and VHLE are so small. A welfare earner shouldn’t just have priority of first line in these leagues based on total TPE, it doesn’t make sense to do that as a GM. The players who want to work deserve it and should deserve it every single game.
 

This is also no discredit to welfare earners. If you show up every week to click buttons that’s totally fine and there’s nothing wrong with how you want to earn your TPE. But it’s needed to know that if someone is giving 100% while you’re only giving 10%, you shouldn’t even question your role on the team. If you want first line minutes you put the work in for first line minutes.
 

 

Oh yeah, I never said anything to the contrary, just saying that you shouldn't think you are better than a welfare earner just because they earn welfare.  Your player certainly will be but that's it.  If you are a max earning annoyance, you are simply an annoyance.

 

Not to mention, this whole thing was ruutu saying if he doesn't get what he wants he will ask for a trade.  He created a big ol hypothetical of Z in Vasteras playing welfare earners above his player when the season hasn't started yet and none of that has happened.  Just ask for a trade my guy.  Nothing to do with welfare earners.