Berocka's Job Pay Analysis

[Berocka 2,263]

Hello Everyone I hinted on a future media spot I would do where I would take a look at the Job pays and how I would change/alter them if I was in charge so here is this article.

 

So first of all I am a believer that if you do a job and it takes time to do and it makes the league a better place then you need to be fairly compensated. Making people who have high intensive jobs that are vital to the league get burnt out with completing weekly tasks is a sure fire way to get the league folded. However giving everyone more TPE than they deserve will make the league interactions and forum content go down significantly. So for that we need to find a nice median ground between a lot of TPE and a lot of work.

 

We all know that the capped TPE maxes out at 12 per week, with 6 coming from your major point tasks and 6 from your minor point tasks, I personally believe that job pay should start covering minor point tasks first that way it keeps more people completing the major point tasks which I believe has more value for the forum content side of things. This is because there are multiple minor point tasks like press conference and trivia which has no real benefit to the community. Lets assume as a total it takes you an hour to complete your full 12 capped with 30 mins for major point and 30 mins for your minor point tasks we will take this into the job evaluation.

 

I want to look at the list of jobs and evaluate how and look at them with some rankings. How important the job is and how time consuming the job is.

 

Job List VHL:

·         Commissioners – 6TPE

·         Moderators – 6TPE

·         VHLM GMs – 4TPE

·         Other GMs – 2TPE

·         Simmers – 8TPE

·         Recruitment – 6TPE

·         Head of PT – 2TPE

·         Updaters – 4TPE

·         Player Store Updaters – 2TPE

·         Fantasy Zone/Trivia – 2TPE

·         VSN Editor – 10TPE

·         VSN Contributors – 8TPE

So above you can see the job list, to me the only non-important jobs on this list are the VSN jobs. You could also make an argument for the Head of PT job and the Fantasy Zone/Trivia jobs. My reasoning behind this is that without the VSN nothing really in the league changes, and I personally believe that similar articles will still be written just by a random person instead of someone assigned that task. Also if someone likes the league enough to write these articles for the VSN I am sure they would probably write them themselves anyway. With regards to the Head of PT, this could probably be delegated and allow the Updaters to make the final say or to get commissioner approval for the real edge cases. The Fantasy Zone and Trivia jobs are only important if you believe that the underlying point task is important for the league. I don’t believe that either are really that important and I am sure you could almost make Fantasy Zone automated it picks 3 random games and you bet on them.

The time-consuming jobs are harder to really put a finger on without having done the job myself in the past. I will say that I believe that the simmers and moderators are really the ones that are under the pump they need to be available every day. I am unsure about the mods to be honest but if the team is small enough I am sure they pretty much all need to do a “shift” every day to keep things up and running.

So without a lot of further research it is really hard to tell on who is actually pulling their weight and which jobs are essentially getting a free ride. There are also the job share jobs as well, you can look at examples like the updaters and the moderators, where you can have someone on the payroll doing 95% of the work and 5 people all doing not much however they all get equal pay. So even if a job is worth the TPE for one person it might not be worth the pay for all.

One idea I had for the updaters is that each week you take the average number of updates approved if within a 3 week period you didn’t once hit the average you should not be allowed to claim the TPE until you then get back over the average. So if there are 1000 updates and 10 updaters everyone should be hitting over 100 every 3 weeks.

 

Next I want to look at the TPE earned by members currently with jobs per week, we can see that this ranges from 20 TPE down to 2 TPE every week. Please note that I have not done any in depth research into what people are claiming just what they are entitled to as per the staff page on the forum. We can see there are 8 members who are above the cap and an extra 3 members who hit the cap just with their jobs. Now ideally this means that they are not made to do any point tasks every week as their jobs should cover their total contribution to the league. Providing the member does not earn their TPE through VSN which is sort of a special category.

Members and the amount of TPE they get per week from Jobs and number of jobs worked:

User	TPE	# Jobs
N0HBDY	20	4
Moon	16	3
leandrofg	16	4
Beketov	14	2
Josh	14	2
samx	14	3
Tetricide	14	3
v.2	14	3
Ricer13	12	3
Alex	12	2
AJW	12	2
Acydburn	10	2
Enorama	10	2
Spartan	10	3
MubbleFubbles	10	2
badcolethetitan	10	2
Mysterious_Fish	10	2
Nathan_8	10	2
Frank	8	2
Banackock	8	2
InstantRockstar	8	2
Devise	8	1
MexicanCow123	8	1
animal74	8	1
DarkSpyro	8	1
ROOKIE745	8	1
fromtheinside	8	1
nurx	8	1
Gustav	6	1
Baozi	6	1
frescoelmo	6	1
jacobcarson877	4	2
Grape	4	1
McLovin	4	1
Lemorse7	4	1
JCarson	4	1
Dadam30	4	1
LucyXpher	4	1
DMaximus	4	1
hylands	4	1
OrbitingDeath	4	1
STZ	2	1
hedgehog337	2	1
FrostBeard	2	1
KaleebtheMighty	2	1
Doomsday	2	1
Zetterberg	2	1
rory	2	1
dlamb	2	1
Baby Boomer	2	1
Sjin	2	1
UnknownMinion	2	1
Jason kranz	2	1

 

There are currently on the staff page 53 members that hold a current job who would be able to claim TPE for this and the TPE totals 390 which is on average 7.36 TPE per member. This means that the average member with a job does not need to complete a point tasks every week. To me this is staggering and I know that the VSN once again skews these results but to me it is really crazy.

 

Above I have summarised a few facts I found whilst really looking into the jobs and what I think about it but what do I honestly think we should do about this to improve the jobs and make it better/fairer for all.

 

SUGGESTIONS

 

Remove the VSN.

I have said it in the article above that the VSN articles of that style would probably still be made just not under a league banner. I don’t think the quality of the articles are that high that each article deserves an extra 2 TPE. I understand that it is cool to have a place for league news that is made at regular intervals but I think it needs to be shown more prominently if it is actually meant to be better quality than the average media spot. To the untrained eye it almost seems like the more views the article gets is really just indicative on the number of members tagged in the article.

 

Cap Job pay at 6.

I think that most jobs should fall in line roughly with completing a major point task and I would like to see the compensation matched. The only job that I truly think should be more than 6 per week is the simmers and that is because they need to work a 7 day week essentially and they should be fairly compensated for that. Every other job I believe should just be a 6 TPE per week max.

 

Cap number of jobs at 2.

I would like to see the number of jobs a member can hold capped at 2. I think that if the jobs are meant to be intensive and are rewarded with such high TPE than you shouldn’t be able to take on too much responsibility, I would love to see the cap at 1 job but I think we have too many roles with not enough members to see that happen. Plus there are some roles which I think go hand in hand like simmer and commissioner for example.

 

50% pay for your 2^nd job.

I think that if you want to take on the second job you need to make sure you have enough time to cover all the work. I don’t want to incentivise people to work more than one job so now they don’t need to do point tasks. I think if you make the second job a member receives pay less then it makes sure that people really on pick up the work they can do. As you still need to be able to complete some minor point tasks here and their to hit your 12 capped TPE.

 

Job pay only covers major point tasks if you work more than one role.

If you only have the one role that pays 6 TPE per week then you need to still complete your major point tasks. The 6 TPE only covers the TPE that you would earn with the minor point tasks. This means that you are still seeing the members who have a job writing media spots, recording podcasts or making graphics.

 

Well that about sums up my thoughts and feelings on job pay as it is in the VHL at the moment. Please let me know what you think about how we could improve jobs and job pay and if you were in charge of the decisions what you would do. Thank you all for reading.

 

 

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[Berocka 2,263]

Week 2 Claim 05/05/2024

[Berocka 2,263]

Week 3

[Gustav 6,428]

On 4/29/2024 at 2:24 AM, Berocka said:

50% pay for your 2^nd job.

I don’t know how I missed this going up initially but out of everything in here I really like this one (as well as the cap of 6 in pay). I don’t like it when people stop posting because they no longer have to post. 
 

That’s part of the reason why I still do media spots—I like them, first of all. But I also feel like if I can’t still pull the weight of earning mostly as normal, I shouldn’t have the job that assumes I can. 

[Berocka 2,263]

17 minutes ago, Gustav said:

I don’t know how I missed this going up initially but out of everything in here I really like this one (as well as the cap of 6 in pay). I don’t like it when people stop posting because they no longer have to post. 
 

That’s part of the reason why I still do media spots—I like them, first of all. But I also feel like if I can’t still pull the weight of earning mostly as normal, I shouldn’t have the job that assumes I can. 

I am glad that I have your approval that means more than anything

[Baozi 1,658]

Fun fact, VSN used to be just a group of people posting point tasks together and wasn't an actual job. 

[jacobcarson877 2,540]

On 4/29/2024 at 2:24 AM, Berocka said:

jacobcarson877

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I'm actually 8 TPE, 3 Jobs (VHL GM, Store Updater, Regular Updater)

Would gladly do them all for free! I often find myself missing the incentive to create other forum content anyways!

[Berocka 2,263]

1 hour ago, Baozi said:

Fun fact, VSN used to be just a group of people posting point tasks together and wasn't an actual job. 

Yeah which is what I think honestly it should return to

1 hour ago, jacobcarson877 said:

I'm actually 8 TPE, 3 Jobs (VHL GM, Store Updater, Regular Updater)

Would gladly do them all for free! I often find myself missing the incentive to create other forum content anyways!

Yeah I half assed my spreadsheet calcs for the whole thing to be honest, and whilst I am not saying people should work for free I would love to see the people who do a lot of jobs provide the league with some content like reading Beketov's .coms recently

[Gaikoku-hito 2,087]

1 hour ago, Berocka said:

3 hours ago, Baozi said:

Fun fact, VSN used to be just a group of people posting point tasks together and wasn't an actual job. 

Yeah which is what I think honestly it should return to

I agree since I don`t get paid for all the articles I write and I think it is more every ones responsibility to create interesting articles about the league to continue to drive interest in the league(s) as whole community. The more people write and taking part would make the task and the VSN really interesting as you would have a bunch more differing opinions that could create even great VSN articles. Think HNIC round table or the panel.