League Shakeup Pitch

[Beketov 9,101]

44 minutes ago, JCarson said:

As another option, would it be possible to roll back the concept of the VHLE.  Merge the VHLM and VHLE into one, cap TPA at 400 and plan on players staying in the minors for 2-3 years.

I like veteran players and first gens co-existing.  I think there would be a lot of good things that could happen to increase competition in the minor league, actually make drafting and trading of value and would increase the excitement factor for everyone.  It potentially would increase first gen retention.

 

You could have a 16 team VHLM feeding a 16 team VHL.

The problem that has always existed with that is simply that 400 TPE is far too high of a threshold for the VHLM. Imagine coming in as a fresh first gen with 30 TPE and seeing teams filled with second and third year guys with over 4x as much TPE as you. How much would you really want to stick around knowing you’d be buried in the depth chart behind those guys for multiple seasons? Even at 250 we started to get this problem a little bit, it would be rather unbearable at a cap of 400.

[Pifferfish 597]

49 minutes ago, Achilles said:

now when you put it this, way. I agree with this. But personally, I would have it that the recreates all go to teams like miss. to balance out the board instead of them all basically signing in mexico and going to win a cup. To have them all go to VHLE I disagree there but i like that it's a thought. When the recreates do join the league, It's an orchestrated plan that destroys the VHLM for new players. at least from my experience so far. Your ideas aren't horrible and I like that you are addressing things that us new players have a hard time saying. I was hoping one recreate would have joined my team but no, mainly mexico. 

not automatic to go to the E, just the option to immediately go to the E and be a 4th liner... idk not even sure thats a good idea.

 

[samx 1,175]

well i guess my question is what becomes the tpe cutoffs? because are you going to keep first gens in the M till 400? or would they move upto E at 200 still? is capped for new E now 200? i think that would just be messy.

[Achilles 91]

2 hours ago, Pifferfish said:

not automatic to go to the E, just the option to immediately go to the E and be a 4th liner... idk not even sure thats a good idea.

 

I don't think it's a good idea but what is a great idea, is have some kind of waiver order for the new creates so they all cant sign on one or two teams. What is going on is they sign on with the best chanced team together. 

[JCarson 744]

21 hours ago, Beketov said:

The problem that has always existed with that is simply that 400 TPE is far too high of a threshold for the VHLM. Imagine coming in as a fresh first gen with 30 TPE and seeing teams filled with second and third year guys with over 4x as much TPE as you. How much would you really want to stick around knowing you’d be buried in the depth chart behind those guys for multiple seasons? Even at 250 we started to get this problem a little bit, it would be rather unbearable at a cap of 400.

Valid point, but doesn't that also happen with 400tpe players joining the VHL facing 1000tpe players

Edited October 7, 2022 by JCarson

[Spartan 4,531]

29 minutes ago, JCarson said:

Valid point, but doesn't that also happen with 400tpe players joining the VHL facing 1000tpe players

It's a bit different when you're completely new to the league and you start off with no production at all, versus going in as a rookie and knowing that at that point of your career, you are not a superstar. A new player putting up like 10 points in 72 games with <10 minutes per game gives them no motivation to stick around the league. The M is oriented towards keeping new users, while the VHL is about competition. That's why the 400 to 1000 TPA gap is acceptable there.

[Nykonax 1,566]

On 10/6/2022 at 8:16 PM, Beketov said:

The problem that has always existed with that is simply that 400 TPE is far too high of a threshold for the VHLM. Imagine coming in as a fresh first gen with 30 TPE and seeing teams filled with second and third year guys with over 4x as much TPE as you. How much would you really want to stick around knowing you’d be buried in the depth chart behind those guys for multiple seasons? Even at 250 we started to get this problem a little bit, it would be rather unbearable at a cap of 400.

Honestly is it actually that big of a difference now with hybrid attributes? If you look at TPA in the STHS attributed scale (old system) a capped E player is like 200 TPA, a capped player in the M is like 100, and a brand new player in the M is like 20. Assuming the portal isn't wrong, I don't think that's a huge difference, and would be comparable to what the M was before the VHLE.

[Beketov 9,101]

6 hours ago, Nykonax said:

Honestly is it actually that big of a difference now with hybrid attributes? If you look at TPA in the STHS attributed scale (old system) a capped E player is like 200 TPA, a capped player in the M is like 100, and a brand new player in the M is like 20. Assuming the portal isn't wrong, I don't think that's a huge difference, and would be comparable to what the M was before the VHLE.

You know that and I know that but does someone brand new know that? They just are an insurmountable mountain and 8 minutes of ice time, where is the incentive to stick around?

[Enorama 2,039]

11 hours ago, Beketov said:

You know that and I know that but does someone brand new know that? They just are an insurmountable mountain and 8 minutes of ice time, where is the incentive to stick around?

 

So what you're saying is it's all about r a i n b o w f l a v o u r e d u n i c o r n s

[Nykonax 1,566]

11 hours ago, Beketov said:

You know that and I know that but does someone brand new know that? They just are an insurmountable mountain and 8 minutes of ice time, where is the incentive to stick around?

No, but I think the biggest issue would be rate of earning. Previously you'd be able to hit 200 TPA within a season or two and be one of those top players, now it would take double the time. I think a combined M/E would also have enough teams to be generally running 6-4-1? Or even 9-4-1 with a double shifted 3rd/4th line would give a fair amount of icetime. I don't really have an opinion of whether this is a good idea or not to combine them, would have to look much more in-depth, but I don't think it's an outright bad idea.

 

I do really like the idea of a seperate recreate/new-gen draft for the VHLM, but I'll let the commishes handle that one

[Achilles 91]

1 hour ago, Nykonax said:

No, but I think the biggest issue would be rate of earning. Previously you'd be able to hit 200 TPA within a season or two and be one of those top players, now it would take double the time. I think a combined M/E would also have enough teams to be generally running 6-4-1? Or even 9-4-1 with a double shifted 3rd/4th line would give a fair amount of icetime. I don't really have an opinion of whether this is a good idea or not to combine them, would have to look much more in-depth, but I don't think it's an outright bad idea.

 

I do really like the idea of a seperate recreate/new-gen draft for the VHLM, but I'll let the commishes handle that one

that's not true. I joined halfway into the season and I am 160 TPE. hopefully will be around 200TPE before the season ends. and again I did it in half a season.

[ThePerfectNut 563]

On 10/6/2022 at 4:46 PM, N0HBDY said:

The VHLE isn’t even being avoided by max earners anymore, the difference between the E and M now is the amount of TPE you can apply. This might’ve been true back when practice facility was just 1 in the E so it was preferred to stay in the M to earn that extra 1 tpe per week. But now it’s just a choice of if they want to play there are not if they’re eligible to skip the M, know and have seen plenty of max earners come to the E over the M

Cough Daniel Weaver and Phil Strastomore Cough

[ThePerfectNut 563]

32 minutes ago, Achilles said:

that's not true. I joined halfway into the season and I am 160 TPE. hopefully will be around 200TPE before the season ends. and again I did it in half a season.

Tbh you’re one of those rare active motivated first gens

[Achilles 91]

6 minutes ago, ThePerfectNut said:

Tbh you’re one of those rare active motivated first gens

That is an awesome compliment. Thanks man. I respect that. 

but my point is that, it is possible. The possibilities are there for people to get that TPE.

Edited October 8, 2022 by Achilles

[ThePerfectNut 563]

8 minutes ago, Achilles said:

That is an awesome compliment. Thanks man. I respect that. 

but my point is that, it is possible. The possibilities are there for people to get that TPE.

Nah I feel you, I was basically exactly like you when I joined 2 years ago. Now I’m the top of in my class with my third player 

[Achilles 91]

1 minute ago, ThePerfectNut said:

Nah I feel you, I was basically exactly like you when I joined 2 years ago. Now I’m the top of in my class with my third player 

It is an honor to talk to a legend.