Beketov

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My question will remain: is a major change like that worth it? From what I understand V2 doesn’t add much except a few select attributes. Do we force a complete re-work of how the VHL functions for the sake of a couple of stats? There’s an argument to be made both ways but personally I think no. Those stats mean very little to me, I hardly deem them worthy of an overhaul of that scale. As far as archetypes specifically are concerned I have the same annoyance with them that I always have. I hate the idea that someone who works their ass off simply has artificial limitations put into them from the get-go. In addition, no matter how hard we try to balance things STHS remains STHS. There will always be stats that over-value the others which means there will always be archetypes that are better. I to k you’d find that after a season or two everyone would use the exact same ones and we’d be in the same position we are now so far as builds are concerned but with people more artificially limited in what they can do.

Slider wise, no. I’d need to check to get what can actually be affected but it’s just like goals, shots, penalties, fights, etc. I don’t believe saves is an option. As @Will pointed out the only real system I think that could get us regular numbers would be re-workin attributes somehow. I don’t see sliders coming even remotely close.

Guaranteed yes. Even the control sim with V1 has very high scoring so we can really only compare the V2 tests to the control, not more regular seasons, but even then it’s ridiculous. I think what it mostly boils down to is shooting percentages just being through the roof. No amount of tuning shots is gonna help if people are simply scoring on half the shots they take.

Alright, in case anyone was curious, I ran some initial tests. Again, sorry for having such shitty indexes but we can't quite figure that out. A few points to make here before I post these: 1. This is based off of last season's database, set up as a new season. So rosters might not be exactly the same but at least they stand the same between the two tests. 2. Obviously these contain no line changes or anything else of the sort. 3. This initial test involved changing absolutely no sliders or any other settings other than switching from V1 to V2. Sliders will be adjusted in fewer tests. Now then, let's get to the indexes. V1 Index V2 Index A few things of note here. Well first, it's a shame for me that we didn't have Shepherd on the Bears the entire season, holy shit I played well. Anyway, moving on from that. Obviously scoring is completely off the rails in V2. The V1 test had ridiculously high scoring but still was within relatively regular levels. However even with that high scoring it wasn't even close to V2 scoring. The 213 point scoring lead under V1 would have been 27th (675 led the league) in V2 scoring. The highest scoring team in V1 was the Bears with 358 Goals For (League average 234). In V2 the wranglers led the league with a mind-boggling 1333 (League average 687). So yeah, not that anyone figured we'd be able to do this with just changing the version but clearly V2 has some major scoring issues with our current league set up. So, let's change some sliders shall we? Slider changes I made were reducing goals to minimum and cutting the shots in half. V2 Index - New Sliders Okay, so definitely better but still very high scoring. 422 points led the league and V1's leader would have been 14th. The wranglers once again led the league with 916 GF (League average 472) which is still a good chunk above double the highest scoring team under V1. I don't have time right now to mess with attributes but it's definitely not something that can be handled with Sliders alone. The main problem being that scoring numbers are simply FAR too high with league leaders scoring on over 50% of their shots in V2.

You’re telling me. 7 goals and I only get 1 assist? Da fuq.

That’s our plan moving forward. With doing this during the off-season (especially with how fast our offseasons can go now sometimes) there wasn’t time for that vote so both were put on the ballot, I wasn’t really expecting the results to be as close as they were. We’re moving the HoF discussions to mid-season which should allow for the usual 1 builder per season to be on the ballot.

No because no one would have a majority at all so no one would get in because of a hung BOG so to speak. Or, more likely, we’d go to a tiebreaker vote. We’ll be handling HoF stuff mid-season going forward so we’ll be attempting to have any tiebreaker votes done in advance. In this situation though I have no issue with Devise getting in simply because we had a builder ballot of 2.

G - Ismond Kingfisher @pennypenny is up after me but I believe @Philliefan still has a pick as well.

You ran out of players haha

There’s a reason that the “no one” option exists. If BOG members feel no one up for builder fits the bill they don’t get in. Normally it would be higher but normally the vote is just 1 person not 2. Hardly seems reasonable to give it to neither member because of a close vote (when the no one option was lower) and giving it to Quik with less votes doesn’t make sense.

Apparently I need to stop focusing on wingers even if I do hate adding to face offs haha

Imagine where his stats could have wound up with an extra season. Even if you had your lowest scoring season that would have put you over 800 points.

Each season the VHL honours its past players and members by selecting the elite few who will enter the vaunted Hall of Fame. This season we present two new players into the status of VHL mythology within it's walls. However, this season we also remove another player from eligibility. it has been decided by the voting committee that Wesley Kellinger shall henceforth be removed from future HoF ballots. As discussed previously in order to be removed a player must be on the ballot for a minimum of 15 seasons and be voted out by a majority. With that out of the way, I present the Season 62 VHL Hall of Fame class: C - Fredinamijs Krigars, S54-S60 RS: 504 GP, 332 G, 406 A, 738 P, +208, 300 PIM, 324 HIT, 250 SB, 52 GW PO: 36 GP, 20 G, 32 A, 52 P, +10, 15 PIM, 50 HIT, 10 SB, 5 GW S56 Dustin Funk Trophy (Most Improved) S57 Mike Szatkowski Trophy (Most Points) S57 Brett Slobodzian Trophy (Most Outstanding) S58 Mike Szatkowski Trophy (Most Points) S58 Alexander Beketov Trophy (Most Assists) Two Continental Cups (S57, S58) G - Apollo Skye, S51-S58 RS: 517 GP, 275 W, 192 L, 48 OTL, 2.14 GAA, .927%, 83 SO PO: 63 GP, 30 W, 24 L, 8 OTL, 2.37 GAA, .929%, 1 SO S51 Christian Stolzschweiger Trophy (Top Rookie) S53 Scotty Campbell Trophy (MVP) S53 Dustin Funk Trophy (Most Improved) S57 Scotty Campbell Trophy (MVP) S57 Aidan Shaw Trophy (Top Goalie) One Continental Cup (S56) Anyone looking at the voting numbers last season may be under the impression that Fredinamijs Krigars wasn't close to being brought into the Hall of Fame; they would also be wrong. While he was beaten out by one of his former teammates last season there's no denying that this year belongs to @hedgehog337's former player. Part of Riga's dynamic duo that led the team to back to back Continental cups in S57 and S58, Krigars was one of the most dominant forces of a generation as far as VHL forwards are concerned. Bringing home the Szatkowski Trophy for most points in back to back seasons and adding a Beketov and Slobodzian to boot is no small task but that's exactly what this man did. Playing his entire career for the Riga Reign Krigars bled Orange to the tune of 738 points which is good for 5th since S50, no small task considering he only played 7 seasons instead of the full 8. Krigars was an intimidating presence in the league for those 7 seasons and now he has his rightful place in the VHL Hall of Fame! Mistakes were made in the S59 Hall of Fame ballot; somehow no one was added to it that season. For the most part, this meant nothing. However it also meant one glaring oversight which has now been gratefully resolved. @Velevra is often not the most outspoken VHL member but with Skye he let his play on the ice do the talking for him. Not many players can bring him 2 Campbell trophies in their career, even fewer goalies can do so. However Skye did just that, bringing him the MVP award in S53 and S57. From his entrance into the league in S51, where he took home Rookie of the Year honours, it was clear that a generational talent was amongst us but it wasn't util 2 seasons later when he joined the Quebec City Meute that it became truly apparent. Skye sits 4th all-time in goalie shutouts and now sits amongst legend as well in the VHL Hall of Fame! This season we also induct a new builder into the VHL Hall of Fame as @Devise joins the long list of monumental builders that have come before him. To name everything Devise has done for the league would be near impossible but I would be remised not to at least mention many amazing runs as a VHL GM and a near constant presence in the BOG; two roles he continues to maintain to this day. In addition it would be most unjust to neglect his time as a member of the commissioner team, helping lead the league through one of its most challenging times in recent memory. The landscape of the VHL would be very different today if Devise's constant 3+ paragraph posts had never graced our board and we are a better community for it. For his incredible work in front of and behind the scenes Devise now takes his place amongst the Builders of the VHL Hall of Fame! Congratulations to both new entrants in the Hall of Fame! Induction Voting Results Fredinamijs Krigars - 12/14 Apollo Skye - 11/14 Markus King - 3/14 Jakab Holik - 1/14 Tyson Kohler - 0/14 Wesley Kellinger - 0/14 Lukas Müller - 0/14 Builder Voting Results Devise - 6/14 Quik - 5/14 No One - 3/14 Removal Voting Results Wesley Kellinger - 10/14 No One - 4/14

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