sterling 2,000 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I dont know if you realize this, but GAA is largely a team stat and not an individual goalie stat. You could be the best goalie in the league and have a three GAA because your defence is putrid. That is not a fair stat to judge a goalie off of. Second, if Tukio played against bad teams and did poorly, you cant just conveniently dismiss those stats. I could conveniently dismiss a few bad games for Labatte and call myself MVP too. That's not how it works. So again, Wozniak has the stats on his side (far and away if you ask me) and the success with a weaker roster. My argument is sound, yours is because you want your buddy to win. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-14984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 11,009 Posted December 3, 2013 Admin Share Posted December 3, 2013 4 posts may be almost as bad as one long one. Anyway, Mike, you couldn't have waited until after the mag to post this? God damn it, all the heat is gone now. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-14985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 2,000 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Thats cause every time I responded I kept on reading parts of his ramble Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-14995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 708 Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 Toronto didn't make the playoffs last season with the best goalie in the league in LeBeau. Riga made the playoffs with a 200 TPE CPU goalie. You need to have an extraordinary season to be called a MVP what Tukio did this season was nothing out of the ordinary. Might as well make Moher, Smyl, or Bagelface MVP since Dynamo made the playoffs in Moher's rookie season despite them having the least goals scored for any playoff team, Smyl in Seattle is the MVP letting in one less goal the Moher they only don't make playoffs because he doesn't have an offense, and Bagelface let in less goals than both of those but had the worst offense of the three teams in Vasteras he must be the MVP. Wozniak has inflated stats ok so does every other forward in the league from all games against NY/RIG. Wozniak has inflated stats from playing with other good players well that's the case for other forwards in the league too. Lets remove all of that and make my points down to a deflated 120 take away more than 30 points so that I'm just barely leading in total points. I'm still leading in nearly 7 categories when you ignore the inflation. Tell me that winning 66% of faceoffs didn't matter when Calgary's next center Zamora had 54%. I absolutely agree with you Devise that if the argument was Wozniak got tons of extra points against bad teams and that was his only positive merit then sure. Wozniak managed to somehow beat the rest of the players on Calgary in 7 different categories and the entire league who also got to play against the same bad teams. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-14999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Higgins, I would just like to point out you had 4 D all year. Just saying haha Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-15007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,618 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Higgins, I would just like to point out you had 4 D all year. Just saying haha Baurzhan wasn't on any lines and played an average of 3 minutes per game and was a -1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-15010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Baurzhan wasn't on any lines and played an average of 3 minutes per game and was a -1 Still 4 D haha Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-15011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Can we just give the MVP to Dwayne Chocolate? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-15013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 708 Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 #TotallyNotABear Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/2684-my-case-for-wozniak-as-mvp/page/2/#findComment-15019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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