Squinty 116 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Is that a thing? Has it been done before? What if I want to GM one day but don't want to make another player? Is it even allowed? All these questions! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Think it would be cool imo tbh. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 We addressed this in the BOG. 1. We would have to recruit like madness to be able to achieve a team where you have that many guys. 2. You put your team at a huge disadvantage because you don't have a huge asset on your team. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share Posted December 29, 2013 We addressed this in the BOG. 1. We would have to recruit like madness to be able to achieve a team where you have that many guys. 2. You put your team at a huge disadvantage because you don't have a huge asset on your team. I don't understand your first point. Say I take over as GM of a team...like Vasteras or something. Why would anyone need to recruit more than normal, if the team is only down one player? Second point I get though, but you also get more cap room to work with Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I don't understand your first point. Say I take over as GM of a team...like Vasteras or something. Why would anyone need to recruit more than normal, if the team is only down one player? ^^^ Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I don't understand your first point. Say I take over as GM of a team...like Vasteras or something. Why would anyone need to recruit more than normal, if the team is only down one player? Second point I get though, but you also get more cap room to work with Well in order to fill a team that is down one player, you'd need to have one more active player. I see what you are saying but it makes more sense doing this when we have tons and tons of active players (more than we do now). I think your cap point is mute though. Why put your team at a disadvantage by not having even a semi-active welfare player as a 5th forward or asset. That just makes the talent level go down by one good player. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share Posted December 29, 2013 Well in order to fill a team that is down one player, you'd need to have one more active player. I see what you are saying but it makes more sense doing this when we have tons and tons of active players (more than we do now). I think your cap point is mute though. Why put your team at a disadvantage by not having even a semi-active welfare player as a 5th forward or asset. That just makes the talent level go down by one good player. I'll try putting into words what i'm trying to say, although I think I understand what you mean. Let's assume just for the purpose of this example, that Corcoran decides three seasons from now, that he no longer wants to GM Vasty and steps down. Then I take his place, and Valiq has one last season before he retires. The season passes, Valiq retires, and I don't recreate but remain GM of Vasty. With Valiq's cap off the books (since they did count towards the cap), rather than recreate, and add my new players salary to the cap of Vasty, I could pursue a different free agent and use money that would have been used for my next player, towards said free agent. In your reply that I quoted, you said yourself, we have tons and tons of active players. What's to say that I couldn't find an active player to sign and play where I would have with my next player. In response to your second statement, how would that put my team at a disadvantage by not having a semi-active welfare player, when instead I could sign someone else that could help benefit the team elsewhere. Sorry if this is confusing, it was kind of hard putting into word what I meant. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I'll try putting into words what i'm trying to say, although I think I understand what you mean. Let's assume just for the purpose of this example, that Corcoran decides three seasons from now, that he no longer wants to GM Vasty and steps down. Then I take his place, and Valiq has one last season before he retires. The season passes, Valiq retires, and I don't recreate but remain GM of Vasty. With Valiq's cap off the books (since they did count towards the cap), rather than recreate, and add my new players salary to the cap of Vasty, I could pursue a different free agent and use money that would have been used for my next player, towards said free agent. In your reply that I quoted, you said yourself, we have tons and tons of active players. What's to say that I couldn't find an active player to sign and play where I would have with my next player. In response to your second statement, how would that put my team at a disadvantage by not having a semi-active welfare player, when instead I could sign someone else that could help benefit the team elsewhere. Sorry if this is confusing, it was kind of hard putting into word what I meant. Actually I think you misunderstood me. We don't have tons and tons of active players. Thats what I was getting at, we would need those. When I said "more than we have now" I meant we have a crop of active guys (not a lot) but would needs tons more to make this worthwhile. Why not have your player and the possibility of bringing in a FA as well. Very rarely does a team not have cash to throw at a free agent. You are speaking on speculative though by saying "when instead I could have a FA", yes you could, but you could not too which then puts your team further in the whole cause they wouldn't have that FA or a player you made. Here is my example: Say someone like Mike falls out of favour with everyone in this league (very highly unlikely) and wants to just be a GM. No one would want to sign with him and he wouldn't have a player either. Thus his team is in a constant rebuild. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share Posted December 29, 2013 Ohhhh ok I see what you're getting at. Although at the same time, it might be worthwhile to experiment with it and see how it goes. If it fails, then obviously we would put it off until we had more actives. And if someone like Mike fell out of favour, then would he not step down, or could we just implement a new rule involving firing of GMs? That would add more competitiveness to the league as well, if you asked me. Just my 2c. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 708 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Would be cool if that could happen as I'd always stay GM of a team even if I decided to stop making players. However to deny your team a free player requiring no draft picks and no trades to acquire is just a bad choice as a GM. Even if you do welfare every week to get a player who can do something you owe it to your team. You also can't preach activity and hard work if you yourself aren't putting in some effort. I don't know how many times we've dealt with that but early PensFan is the most personal example for me as I was traded to Vasteras early on S4ish. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 708 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Lol and if Mike fell out of favor what u getting at Squinty. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share Posted December 29, 2013 I'm only replying to what Kendrick said. Your post makes sense though. YOU WIN Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted December 29, 2013 Admin Share Posted December 29, 2013 Yeah to be fair, if you have time to GM, you'll have time to claim 4-5 TPE a week. Silly Squinty. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share Posted December 29, 2013 YOU'RE THE SILLY ONE Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Squinty, I know what you are saying. And pretty much you're right if it failed, you could always just go and create a player with your carryover and have him compete. Alfie, his point wasn't really claiming or activeness from the GM (who doesn't have a player) it was more cap reasons. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted December 30, 2013 Admin Share Posted December 30, 2013 Yeah it's just unnecessary. Welfare players take up less cap anyway... this just seems worse with every post. Squinty, you're the worst. <3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'M JUST SO LAZY THAT I WANT TO GM BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER PLAYER Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-22910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 498 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Make another player named Saggitariut Jefferspin. Or I'll cry. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-23134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corco 1,237 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Just make a goon squinty, you know you want to. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3347-gming-without-a-player/#findComment-23151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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