Guest Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Toews draws by far the most attention of anyone on the Hawks. You don't watch enough of the Hawks I don't think. I guess Cam Fowler sucks. Also Bonino and Cogs are not someone to leave alone either. They aren't household names but they are on pace for 50 points seasons Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Giroux>Tavares Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Giroux>Tavares Tavares>>>>Giroux RandomHero 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Tavares>>>>Giroux Kameron Taylor >>> Tavares Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Kameron Taylor >>> Tavares Cal Fuck Yeah>>>Kameron Taylor Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Cal Fuck Yeah>>>Kameron Taylor NYA Senior Chang >>>> Cal Fuck Yeah Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted January 13, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Selanne doesn't play with Getzlaf. The line is Penner, Getz and Perry. Though I'm not saying Toews is better necessarily. he did look really bad against my wings though. I just like Getzlaf skillset more than his. Edited January 13, 2014 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 NYA Senior Chang >>>> Cal Fuck Yeah Eric Lindros' fetus>>>>>>>NYA Senior Chang Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Selanne doesn't play with Getzlaf. The line is Penner, Getz and Perry. Though I'm not saying Toews is better necessarily. he did look really bad against my wings though. I just like Getzlaf skillset more than his. Exactly my point. Neither does Kane play with Toews. People just seem to group together. I guarantee if I took Toews in a 1v1 with Getzlaf, Toews would perform Getz purely on the fact Toews is better defensively. So if you prefer Getz' great offensive ability and average defence to Toews Great offensive ability and well above average defensive ability, go right ahead. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The entire purpose of this thread needs to be directed towards the pure awesomeness that is John Tavares. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted January 13, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Exactly my point. Neither does Kane play with Toews. People just seem to group together. I guarantee if I took Toews in a 1v1 with Getzlaf, Toews would perform Getz purely on the fact Toews is better defensively. So if you prefer Getz' great offensive ability and average defence to Toews Great offensive ability and well above average defensive ability, go right ahead. I look more of it as excellent offense, average defense vs great offense and good defensive. Getz offense is a bit more than just slightly better. He is consistently better with 6+ seasons of ppg and more, he is currently riding a 1.2ppg pace. Toews has only ever been ppg once sofar and is ppg this season so it could be twice soon. My other thought is I can always get a defensive specialist at a much cheaper price so the extra tier in offense I put as a premium. Plus the power game Getzlaf has is pretty hard to find these days in a top tier player. An interesting comparison for the VHL is Smalling vs Rafter then. Edited January 13, 2014 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,947 Posted January 14, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 14, 2014 No it isn't, they were teammates their whole career. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I look more of it as excellent offense, average defense vs great offense and good defensive. Getz offense is a bit more than just slightly better. He is consistently better with 6+ seasons of ppg and more, he is currently riding a 1.2ppg pace. Toews has only ever been ppg once sofar and is ppg this season so it could be twice soon. My other thought is I can always get a defensive specialist at a much cheaper price so the extra tier in offense I put as a premium. Plus the power game Getzlaf has is pretty hard to find these days in a top tier player. An interesting comparison for the VHL is Smalling vs Rafter then. Toews good defensively? Just good? I don't know about you but his constant Selke nominations (winning one) and PPG career pace is kind of better than Getz PPG career wise and no trophies. Don't get me wrong, Getz is a great player but I think you are putting too much weight on the power forward build. It's a great thing and he is strong, but he isn't overly physical like someone at his size would make you believe. In a 7 games series, you'd lose. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted January 14, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Fuck my phone crashed after typing. I'll explain more later if u want but I basically typed out their top five ppg years sofar. I'll re type after my hockey game. Look at their ppg in top five years. Getz is way ahead of Toews so the offensive margin is more than just a little bit. The reason why their career ppg is close is because Toews hit 60 points in his second season where it otook Getz 3 seasons. Also his 57 point season is a bit of an anomaly as his family member died that year. But if you look at offensive peaks, Getz has a significant advantage of having 5 or more ppg season and above whereas Toews only has one. The raw numbers from those peaks are also higher. Edited January 14, 2014 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Ryan Getzlaf's Career PPG - .956 GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG S S% 600 175 399 574 101 548 61 5 34 1,398 12.5 Jonathan Toews Career PPG - .919 GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG S S% 456 184 235 419 136 237 48 6 32 1,228 15.0 I don't know about you but .037 PPG isn't really that much better for Getz. So not sure what statistic you will pop out of your bag here. Like I said, Getz is a great player but 9/10 I would choose the guy who is a better defensive player in this situation (being Toews). In 150 less games Toews has only 2 less GWG, so their the clutch factor as well. Edited January 14, 2014 by Kendrick Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,758 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 4 Powerplays, 3 Shots...way to go Blue Jackets! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,758 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Well shit, thanks Horton! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-29926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,212 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Jordan Nolan resembles something of a turtle. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Jordan Nolan resembles something of a turtle. I'm watching that. Ami says "This guys might have a smaller penis than Gaga". Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro 251 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) THIS GAME IS FUCKING INSANITY. Edited January 14, 2014 by Sandro Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted January 14, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ryan Getzlaf's Career PPG - .956 GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG S S% 600 175 399 574 101 548 61 5 34 1,398 12.5 Jonathan Toews Career PPG - .919 GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG S S% 456 184 235 419 136 237 48 6 32 1,228 15.0 I don't know about you but .037 PPG isn't really that much better for Getz. So not sure what statistic you will pop out of your bag here. Like I said, Getz is a great player but 9/10 I would choose the guy who is a better defensive player in this situation (being Toews). In 150 less games Toews has only 2 less GWG, so their the clutch factor as well. You're ignoring what I said completely. Take the top five point years each player has sofar. It shows that Getz has an much higher offensive peak. I'll show you when I get home, the difference is pretty significant. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You're ignoring what I said completely. Take the top five point years each player has sofar. It shows that Getz has an much higher offensive peak. I'll show you when I get home, the difference is pretty significant. When the career is done they don't look at the five best years Fong, they look at their total career stats. Otherwise Todd Bertuzzi should be a first ballot HOF Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro 251 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Nice to see the Canucks still can't fucking score. It'll be nice when some of our prospects finally start making an impact. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Ovechkin8 262 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I'm not feelin this dump and chase thing they got going here. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted January 14, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) When the career is done they don't look at the five best years Fong, they look at their total career stats. Otherwise Todd Bertuzzi should be a first ballot HOF We're not talking careers right now, we're just talking present time. Plus we are not looking at the entire body of work, just the statement that you think offensively there is very little difference but I believe there is a large difference. So here is what I was typing before my phone crashed. Getzlaf Top 5 PPG years 1.13, 1.12, 1.11, 1.06, 1.05 = 1.094 76+91+49+82+69 = 367 over Toews Top 5 PPG years 1.02, 0.97, 0.95, 0.89, 0.84 = 0.934 48+57+76+68+69= 318 Difference of 49 points or 15.4% Or if we pro-rate the PPG to 82 games it is 0.16 difference or 17% 15%-17% offense increase is fairly significant. If we look at this season alone, Getzlaf is at 1.2 and Toews at 0.98. That is a 22% difference. Toews playoff offense production vs Getzlaf is also hugely in Getzlaf favour on an point level. Yes I'm aware Toews has intangibles and faceoffs etc, but I'm speaking specifically on an offense level. So your question is, is there a signifcant offense difference? Yes Do I take this offensive advantage over the excellent two way play of Toews? Yes Toews might break out, who knows, I could change my opinion next year even. I'm just looking at currently, Getz who is in beast mode vs Toews...who is doing pretty good. Love them both. Slight edge because I like Get'z offense and its not like his defense is terrible, it is underrated and decent if not slightly above your average offensive center. Will Toews get better in the offense department? who knows, he has 4 years on Getzlaf to show it, but I doubt it given how proficient he is as a two way player. Edited January 14, 2014 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/21/#findComment-30134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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