Victor

Jardy is dead guys, I'm like 90% sure of it. Have some respect.

5-2 seattle

104 Seattle Bears @ Helsinki Titans 105 New York Americans @ Riga Reign 106 Quebec City Meute @ HC Davos Dynamo 107 Toronto Legion @ Calgary Wranglers

yeah this matchup's got better

That's much more like it.

Is there demand from people to make depth players? We've got the concept of second players but this loses sight of why people want second players in the first place and just tries to compromise based on some of the counter arguments made. I don't think anyone's interested in a compromise on second players.

If you're going to add so many restrictions, what's the point in the first place?

There will always be support for this because it sounds cool. Especially now with so many people who've joined after it was abolished. It just dilutes the experience, it's conceptually incompatible with the premise of this league. Create a player, not two players. Why stop at two anyway? Again, it's undeniably an appealing idea. It just doesn't last past the initial excitement. And yeah, that's addressed a bit by staggering but it was staggered last time too. The idea of a lottery just makes people sign up without thinking and then all you get is members who don't care about either of their players anymore.

To just add an additional point so it's not just "we tried, it failed, forget it", although to be honest that's all that needs to be said IMO... We're seeing discussion about how STHS gives you about 4-5 different player options overall, including goalies. Should we really be encouraging people smashing through those player builds at double the speed?

https://vhlforum.com/topic/30543-two-players-the-proposal-so-far/ Throwback to when I thought this was a good idea in case anyone has any doubts. There's something from Einstein about insanity and all that.

I basically made it happen last time. Molholt's idea but I did this write up and all and pushed it along. It's dead, I'm sorry, this is one mistake we should never make again. I'll be honest, it really happened because we didn't have enough active members. And I still think that it kept things moving just long enough for the league to not die. Got us a couple good drafts in a decade where most were absolutely shit (imagine if it was like S58/S59 for the entirety of the 50s) and that was important but it was just that, a stopgap solution. It's messy, it's unnecessary, and I appreciate the excitement about the concept because I have literally been in that position 2 years ago but its not a healthy addition to the league.

2-1 Riga

Reign Legion Americans Wranglers

Haha nope

Didn't you play for Helsinki who made the playoffs for another 5 seasons or something.

Yeah Sandro got 1 season, Greg has career GAA, wins, and shutouts.

Gow turned up this sim.

Wingers came to party this game.

Its my fucking shutout record ffs this keeps happening I shouldn't have made brothers.

Apart from the fact you still retire them early.

Very good.

To be fair, Helsinki has the better 2nd line.

THE KING OF THE FISHERS

2nd line starting to fire.

This is not my 20,000th post. I've probably hit this mark twice before. But it is probably close to that mark on this site (depending if deleted posts like update threads get removed from the count). Either way, I noticed it while replying to something else and it's a good excuse to post a 590. So I was going to do a 3 TPE podcast but this is quicker and I guess I'll get the extra TPE in a press conference or something. Thank god trivia is back, that cap is so far away without it. So let's just say about the random things I'd talk about in a podcast: - Pod Cast. He's doing alright. I don't expect a S62 repeat but do want to stay on track for 900 career points. I reckon if I achieve that, more awards will follow in the next 6 seasons. - The chat about a new sim. I don't like it. Well, no, I don't care because it's just chat. But the argument is made from a completely wrong side. Someone needs to come up with a viable alternative to STHS v1 and do the testing for us. I don't see why everyone who puts time into running this league should spend time performing futile testing to prove that we have the best sim engine for us on the market. If that's wrong, someone else needs to show there's something better. Only then should we consider if it's worth it to change the fabric of the league entirely to change. Currently, the situation is completely backwards. Most importantly, the hand-wringing about STHS seems deeply flawed initially. What exactly is the problem? Are the best players not the best players? Apparently the playoffs are unpredictable..... well, they're not and also isn't that the point? I mean name me an undeserving winner of the Continental Cup. Or name me a good team that got fucked over consistently. I wrote a whole MS about best teams to not win a cup but 1) that wasn't a very long list for 60 seasons and 2) most of them lost to other good teams. I'm on my 6th player. OK let's say 5th proper player since my first only had 600 TPE and 6 seasons. This is my first repeat of a build out of the 5. That's like 6 actual years or whatever.... so again, what's the problem? Lastly, I am aware we're not on the verge of that discussion ever going to be anything more than a discussion but I haven't really contributed so this is my contribution. In the polarised world built on everything always being in absolute terms that we live in, I am too conservative. Well, that's like your opinion man. Fuck this. I love you all.