Gustav 6,406 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Hello GMs! And hello VHL! I see that Vancouver is 22-3-1 this season. Which I'm sure quite a few of us aren't incredibly happy about. We know the meta story, and I'm not interested in getting into who's right and who's wrong or any of that. But I am here to share a suggestion for you to consider (or not consider) as you wish. Normally I would keep things like this to myself, but I'm no longer a GM and I think sharing this is the best thing for the league right now. When you face someone running a hyper-offensive meta team, set your sliders to 0-4-1. Or 0-5-0. Or anything hyper-defensive. I have no idea whether or not this actually works, but I can tell you that it has worked for me at some times in the past. Those who were around in S69 in the VHLM will know that Saskatoon was a powerhouse, going about the first 50 or so games without a loss (if I remember right--I do remember a crazy long win streak at least). Everyone played around with their sliders and their lines to try to find something that worked...and then I was able to take them to a shootout running 0-4-1. We lost, but it ended the regulation win streak listed on the portal. And then, guess what--we beat them in our next matchup, also running 0-4-1. We would beat them at least once more before the season ended, even outshooting them in one game. Mexico City caught onto this as well, did the same thing, and also managed to beat Saskatoon. The Wild would eventually win the cup, but the Hounds managed to take a game away from them in the finals. Fast forward to last season. Since S80, Davos had been unable to win against Vancouver, and the first two matchups of the season certainly illustrated this with two big losses. But then I remembered S69, and figured that instead of trying to out-offense a team that was clearly better at offense than we were, maybe we should just out-defense. And we managed to get a win and an overtime loss in our next (and last) two games of the season. I am not saying that this is the magic bullet to the meta. It is not. I'm also not saying that I have anywhere near a large enough sample size to draw a conclusion from it. But what I am saying is that running my overall sliders at 0-4-1 (at least when the score was even) has given me a few wins that I shouldn't have gotten. Give it a try if you're so inclined, or don't. Whatever you'd like. Nykonax, Shindigs and Ledge 1 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Ricer13 2,796 Posted February 14, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2022 I actually ran something similar against them in our playoff series last season as a test and we took them to 7 games. Ultimately we lost but it did work well. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shindigs 1,771 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Let's all embrace the neutral zone trap and trade one type of degenerate hockey for another, I guess? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Tip: Line Sliders are not active in our version of the sim so they do nothing. Only line sliders that work are the ones based on current score. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustav 6,406 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 10 hours ago, Beaviss said: Tip: Line Sliders are not active in our version of the sim so they do nothing. Only line sliders that work are the ones based on current score. Which are the ones I adjusted in this case. Also Simon says that a lot of stuff works that actually doesn't work, and that a lot doesn't work that actually does. If GMs do try this, I'm interested to see if it changes things at all. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nykonax 1,564 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 14 hours ago, Gustav said: Hello GMs! And hello VHL! I see that Vancouver is 22-3-1 this season. Which I'm sure quite a few of us aren't incredibly happy about. We know the meta story, and I'm not interested in getting into who's right and who's wrong or any of that. But I am here to share a suggestion for you to consider (or not consider) as you wish. Normally I would keep things like this to myself, but I'm no longer a GM and I think sharing this is the best thing for the league right now. When you face someone running a hyper-offensive meta team, set your sliders to 0-4-1. Or 0-5-0. Or anything hyper-defensive. I have no idea whether or not this actually works, but I can tell you that it has worked for me at some times in the past. Those who were around in S69 in the VHLM will know that Saskatoon was a powerhouse, going about the first 50 or so games without a loss (if I remember right--I do remember a crazy long win streak at least). Everyone played around with their sliders and their lines to try to find something that worked...and then I was able to take them to a shootout running 0-4-1. We lost, but it ended the regulation win streak listed on the portal. And then, guess what--we beat them in our next matchup, also running 0-4-1. We would beat them at least once more before the season ended, even outshooting them in one game. Mexico City caught onto this as well, did the same thing, and also managed to beat Saskatoon. The Wild would eventually win the cup, but the Hounds managed to take a game away from them in the finals. Fast forward to last season. Since S80, Davos had been unable to win against Vancouver, and the first two matchups of the season certainly illustrated this with two big losses. But then I remembered S69, and figured that instead of trying to out-offense a team that was clearly better at offense than we were, maybe we should just out-defense. And we managed to get a win and an overtime loss in our next (and last) two games of the season. I am not saying that this is the magic bullet to the meta. It is not. I'm also not saying that I have anywhere near a large enough sample size to draw a conclusion from it. But what I am saying is that running my overall sliders at 0-4-1 (at least when the score was even) has given me a few wins that I shouldn't have gotten. Give it a try if you're so inclined, or don't. Whatever you'd like. vancouver hates this one simple trick! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustav 6,406 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Nykonax said: vancouver hates this one simple trick! Timothy lost 80 GAMES in ONE MONTH Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,745 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Disappointed that you didn't suggest simply deleting Vancouver entirely. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROOKIE745 604 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Hey now, don't forget that my S69 Storm took a game off them to in the second round!! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/116407-the-potential-anti-meta-strategy/#findComment-910539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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