2nd Player Idea (kind of)

[Beaviss 4,957]

We all know the 2nd player was abolished but I was talking on PS4 with @Laflamme and @Bring Back Player 2 (Tri) and another guy I cannot remember. 

 

They brought up the fact that on another league (I also cannot remember) you can have a 2nd player but they only play in the minors.

 

This would help liven up the VHLM aswell as make people happy they can have two players again.

 

Rules:

 

1. After 200 TPE is applied you can not bank TPE.

2. This player can never play in the VHL as long as you have a player in the VHL

3. This Player needs to be claimed as a “VHLM Star” when created. 

 

What do people think?

 

Discuss!

 

Edited April 19, 2018 by Beaviss

[Baozi 1,658]

Who talks on Ps4 anyways?

[Banackock 8,044]

Nty

[Beketov 9,021]

I think it’s been discussed before but was kinda decided that it didn’t really have much of a market. Even just taking welfare every week and nothing else you’ll hit 200 pretty quickly; if you actually do Pt’s It’ll be even faster and then what, you sit around for 6 seasons doing nothing?

 

Plus the whole point of the minors is to eventually get good enough to be drafted in the main league. I can’t see many wanting to go for this.

[Kendrick 4,741]

It's not a bad thought. That being said I'd only ever support those players getting 125 TPE. VHLM still needs to be the focus of new members and allowing veteran members like myself to TPE whore and get to 200 TPE would make those new members fall down the lineup.

[Kendrick 4,741]

Just now, Kendrick said:

It's not a bad thought. That being said I'd only ever support those players getting 125 TPE. VHLM still needs to be the focus of new members and allowing veteran members like myself to TPE whore and get to 200 TPE would make those new members fall down the lineup.

I should add to this:

 

Give them a 3-4 year career at max and deem them VHLM Star

[Beaviss 4,957]

3 minutes ago, Beketov said:

I think it’s been discussed before but was kinda decided that it didn’t really have much of a market. Even just taking welfare every week and nothing else you’ll hit 200 pretty quickly; if you actually do Pt’s It’ll be even faster and then what, you sit around for 6 seasons doing nothing?

 

Plus the whole point of the minors is to eventually get good enough to be drafted in the main league. I can’t see many wanting to go for this.

 

But the people that would would make the VHLM more interesting. It would have a bigger FA. 

 

Maybe make all TPE earnings cut in half?

[Da Trifecta 1,896]

What Beaviss meant was similar to the SBA. Once they reach the 200 cap, they get entered into the VHL draft as fillers to no longer be updated and just to be forever capped at 200. Obviously they stop at 175 in the VHLM with 25 capped, right before the draft they add the final 25 in and boom. Draftee.

Edited April 19, 2018 by Bring Back Player 2 (Tri)

[Da Trifecta 1,896]

Oh and to add on, cap it at 50 per season. To pair up with @Kendrick's idea.

[Kendrick 4,741]

I don't support the filler concept though for this league. In the VHL you need more than 5 starters to make a team. You need realistically and ideally close to 11. In the SBA you realistically only need 5 actives and then the rest can be fillers. So the SBA needs fillers, we don't. Yes it would spruce up our lines in the future, but it also has no weight to it because fillers aren't really anything but fillers. I for one don't watch what my former filler players do in the SBA

[Da Trifecta 1,896]

The point of it would be to make draft classes better, make the VHLM more interesting and fill out teams

[Banackock 8,044]

And then every brand new member with 30 TPE gets their ass kicked by our VHLM star players or whatever. 

 

Makes sense. 

[Banackock 8,044]

Want better drafts? Try recruiting. 

[Da Trifecta 1,896]

3 minutes ago, Banackock said:

Want better drafts? Try recruiting. 

 

Want more recruits? How about helping out in that aspect.

[Kendrick 4,741]

4 minutes ago, Banackock said:

Want better drafts? Try recruiting. 

I mean yes, but lets not be so negative.

 

6 minutes ago, Bring Back Player 2 (Tri) said:

The point of it would be to make draft classes better, make the VHLM more interesting and fill out teams

Make VHLM draft classes better? Thats the only thing I can support. Not fillers making the VHL better.

[Banackock 8,044]

Just now, Kendrick said:

I mean yes, but lets not be so negative.

 

Make VHLM draft classes better? Thats the only thing I can support. Not fillers making the VHL better.

Wasn't directed at you  

 

I'm simply saying, this won't fix fuck all. If "Player Two" didn't fix anything, this is surely a poor idea. We're going to inflate the league with veteran members who will be capped out at 125-200 TPE and will make it very tough for 30 TPE new members to find their way productively.

[Banackock 8,044]

2 minutes ago, Bring Back Player 2 (Tri) said:

 

Want more recruits? How about helping out in that aspect.

You get paid for it (and I wasn't complaining or commenting on "better draft" or "more recruits").

 

Furthering on, I've messaged 90% of the new youtube members and at one point was talking to tons at a time helping them out. I'd rather help with retention as that's a huge problem too. I reached out to a significant amount of them - while also helping in threads and their player pages. 

 

So shut the fuck up.  

[Kendrick 4,741]

11 minutes ago, Banackock said:

Wasn't directed at you  

 

I'm simply saying, this won't fix fuck all. If "Player Two" didn't fix anything, this is surely a poor idea. We're going to inflate the league with veteran members who will be capped out at 125-200 TPE and will make it very tough for 30 TPE new members to find their way productively.

I agree, but I think saying "Try Recruiting" is getting old from us. We get it, recruitment will help that but it's not like we haven't been trying. Not to mention, if it hadn't come from someone who did have issues with that job, it may have been perceived differently is all I'm saying.

[Kendrick 4,741]

11 minutes ago, Banackock said:

You get paid for it (and I wasn't complaining or commenting on "better draft" or "more recruits").

 

Furthering on, I've messaged 90% of the new youtube members and at one point was talking to tons at a time helping them out. I'd rather help with retention as that's a huge problem too. I reached out to a significant amount of them - while also helping in threads and their player pages. 

 

So shut the fuck up.  

We can cut the attitude by everyone, come on Bana. You have been very harsh of the recruitment crew and knowing your history with it, it really confuses me. It was merely an idea brought forward by a few of the league members and that's never a bad thing to bring forward even if it gets shut down.

[Banackock 8,044]

3 minutes ago, Kendrick said:

We can cut the attitude by everyone, come on Bana. You have been very harsh of the recruitment crew and knowing your history with it, it really confuses me. It was merely an idea brought forward by a few of the league members and that's never a bad thing to bring forward even if it gets shut down.

I've been harsh on the recruitment crew? How many times have I said good job in the BoG? I've made a couple statuses on here saying good job too. I'm busy right now, so please don't make me spend time looking for all the posts because you know very well I will. I've been the furthest thing from harsh. 

 

So yes - you're confused Kendrick. Ive spoken high praise of the recruitment team since it came about. 

[Banackock 8,044]

@Kendrick

 

A topic I made in the BoG and this is my first post.. the first sentence.. 

 

Banackock     1,167

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Posted April 6

The recruitment team does a fine job and while it is their mission and duty to find a way to bring in the newbies, they shouldn't be alone in the battle. The BoG should actively be looking at ways to help them out - but so should the entire VHL. People shouldn't only be doing it "here and there" or "every once in a while". I think a longterm goal would be to find consistency in people wanting to recruit. Aside from that, let's help out the recruiting guys who are in there to maybe give them a little hand or boost in the recruitment section and such.

 

1. Youtube -  I've popped out in another thread about 10 or so other link or channels to advertise on. @Beaviss and whoever else involved did an amazing job - now it's ours, the leagues, to keep them here and happy. 

 

2. Twitch -  Similar shit, maybe a little tougher to find but someone like Beketov or others on their may know how to navigate better.

 

3. Reddit -  What a surprise, hey? Obvious one.

 

4. Other internet Forums -  I posted a big ass list sometime ago. 

 

5. Smaller talk show hosts on radio sites on the web - Can't remember the names, but there's some

 

 

RECRUITMENT DRIVES 

* Not everyone gives a shit about TPE or feels like that incentive is enough for them to put down the lotion, take their cock out of their hands and land that dirty bear paw to the league to recruit for 10 minutes out of their lives.

 

Here's an idea - back away from TPE etc... Why not OFFER a top prize for something they like? A year of Xbox life? An Xbox/PSN purchase for a game or something up to $80? A porn subscription on Brazzers etc? 

Edited April 6 by Banackock

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"Early to say as we all know retention is the big thing, but good job to @Beaviss and any others involved in the YouTube project."

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I cant find statuses that far back as it won't let us look but you get the point.

 

Dont put incorrect words in my mouth. You've done a good job as a whole. 

 

[Da Trifecta 1,896]

10 minutes ago, Banackock said:

Wasn't directed at you  

 

I'm simply saying, this won't fix fuck all. If "Player Two" didn't fix anything, this is surely a poor idea. We're going to inflate the league with veteran members who will be capped out at 125-200 TPE and will make it very tough for 30 TPE new members to find their way productively.

 

Player 2 fixed a lot. The problem lied in the people who made the call to push their members to do two point tasks per week and stuff. That was what ruined it. So we only have the blue team/BOG to blame.

 

8 minutes ago, Banackock said:

You get paid for it (and I wasn't complaining or commenting on "better draft" or "more recruits").

 

Furthering on, I've messaged 90% of the new youtube members and at one point was talking to tons at a time helping them out. I'd rather help with retention as that's a huge problem too. I reached out to a significant amount of them - while also helping in threads and their player pages. 

 

So shut the fuck up.  

 

I don't get paid for shit to be honest. I don't do my job, I don't get paid. Also thanks for the kind remark, showing who is the bigger man in this argument

 

[Banackock 8,044]

@Bring Back Player 2 (Tri) Also regarding you saying I don't recruit - I've put in my time making suggestions and ideas at how to go about recruiting - as well as finding forums and YouTube subscribers to advertise on such as:

 

Gamer shit on Youtube similar to the initial project:

PackDaddy - 9,906 Subs (meh - but hey..)

Trash94 Gaming - 12,139 Subs

TheFinn FTW - 47,123 subs

BaconCountry - 180,914 subs

Brainstormed - 12,657 subs

Sleeveless Gaming - 4,583 subs

Sports Gaming Universe - 206,686 SUBS

 

More so "NHL talk shows on youtube"

Hockey Talk Show - 218 subs

The Hockey Guy - 33,001 subs

Hockey is life - 10,652 subs

PRO hockey - 32,523 SUBS

TheNasher61 - 163,998 SUBS

TDI hockey - 18,869 SUBS

 

BIG BOYS

TmarTn2 - 3,000,000 +

2BCProductions2BC - 273,000 SUBS

 

 

but youre not really ally in the BoG so how would you know! 

[Banackock 8,044]

4 minutes ago, Bring Back Player 2 (Tri) said:

 

Player 2 fixed a lot. The problem lied in the people who made the call to push their members to do two point tasks per week and stuff. That was what ruined it. So we only have the blue team/BOG to blame.

 

 

I don't get paid for shit to be honest. I don't do my job, I don't get paid. Also thanks for the kind remark, showing who is the bigger man in this argument

 

I'm someone who agrees with you on the player two thing, however, I don't think this idea would. It was a rushed decision - not fully thought out and yeah. Maybe make a rule one player welfare, the other point tasks. The fact the reasoning it was blown out of the water by the blue team was because "it burnt people out"... The only way someone will make me do something is if I love them, they pay me or are my boss or there's a benefit for me. I don't see how the option being there forced them into anything or had them feeling obligated.. if so, that's really, really silly.. lol

[Kendrick 4,741]

All I'm saying is ideas brought forward aren't rushed, they are ideas for a reason. To be explained, discussed and debated until your blue in the face. No idea is a bad idea.

 

I'm also saying a comment like "Try Recruiting" is actually a negative for us as we have been trying. Especially coming from someone who failed to do anything in the position I am in right now. To me that says you don't think we are working hard and that what you did in your job was better. If I'm incorrect there then not sure why the initial comment was made.

 

I encourage the Recruitment Staff to come up with ideas of all varieties and to debate them until they see positives and negatives in many areas of the league. Whether those ideas grow into actual plans or if they are scraped into the trash bin, it's better than having them not put pen to paper (or fingers to a keyboard in this case).