Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 @ADV Rules are rules though. I don't like this one and I definitely feel as though it needs to be looked at. two 2nd's or a 1st and 2nd for a 30 tpe.. get real!!! No one on their right rocking chair would pay that price. So every time we come across this, more players dip back into activity because no GM in their right mind would pay that price. I heavily feel this should be based of TPE and not money... Giving him money HELPS him and his activity. So the team has to suffer and give away huge amounts of future for someone in their 3rd year who is 300-400 TPE behind his peers? LOL I got Peter Quill for almost the same price as the league rules state I have to pay for a 30 TPE RFA. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 7:59 PM, ADV said: I literally just offered you him for a 3rd (which you'll be lucky to ever get a player in that round that even shows up)..that is more than fair if he wants to be in Seattle. Expand Theoretically, based off his qualities and inactivity, he resembles someone taken in the 3rd round. Same with Greene! The fact that both of them came back makes them.. not even sure, but us "lucky". Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:00 PM, Banackock said: @ADV Rules are rules though. I don't like this one and I definitely feel as though it needs to be looked at. two 2nd's or a 1st and 2nd for a 30 tpe.. get real!!! No one on their right rocking chair would pay that price. So every time we come across this, more players dip back into activity because no GM in their right mind would pay that price. I heavily feel this should be based of TPE and not money... Giving him money HELPS him and his activity. So the team has to suffer and give away huge amounts of future for someone in their 3rd year who is 300-400 TPE behind his peers? LOL I got Peter Quill for almost the same price as the league rules state I have to pay for a 30 TPE RFA. Expand The reason we don't do TPE is so new draftees can't just pick and choose where they want to be by going to RFA..I think at least if I remember way back. I don't disagree though that it does seem silly. Tyler 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 @ADV and I'm not upset with you nor arguing. Just expressing my thoughts on the stupidity surrounding this rule. It needs to be looked at. Peter Quill trade = 1st and 2nd. 30 TPE, 3 year old RFA = 1st/2nd. Makes a LOT of sense. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:02 PM, Banackock said: @ADV and I'm not upset with you nor arguing. Just expressing my thoughts on the stupidity surrounding this rule. It needs to be looked at. Peter Quill trade = 1st and 2nd. 30 TPE, 3 year old RFA = 1st/2nd. Makes a LOT of sense. Expand Okay just making sure. Like I said, I'm willing to move his rights as cheap as I can..but I'm going to protect an asset. The rule yeah..it could use work for sure. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samee 2 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 CAN YOU JUST GET ME TO SEATTLE OR SOMETHING Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:02 PM, ADV said: The reason we don't do TPE is so new draftees can't just pick and choose where they want to be by going to RFA..I think at least if I remember way back. I don't disagree though that it does seem silly. Expand So they can't choose where to go. So they take a season off like Greene did and then choose where to go! Obviously right after the draft it shouldn't count, but he;'s been inactive for 2 full seasons. Little different than say me or you holding out and then proceeding. I will do the 3rd. Again, not arguing or upset at you. I just think the ruling on this is a little stupid. I see the effect they want it to carry out, but I feel they can make it stronger for situations like this. If I was';t dealing with you (someone who is a good GM and person) we may have lost a potential active player. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:04 PM, Banackock said: So they can't choose where to go. So they take a season off like Greene did and then choose where to go! Obviously right after the draft it shouldn't count, but he;'s been inactive for 2 full seasons. Little different than say me or you holding out and then proceeding. I will do the 3rd. Again, not arguing or upset at you. I just think the ruling on this is a little stupid. I see the effect they want it to carry out, but I feel they can make it stronger for situations like this. If I was';t dealing with you (someone who is a good GM and person) we may have lost a potential active player. Expand No cause had you made an original offer to Greene, he couldn't have done what he did. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:03 PM, ADV said: Okay just making sure. Like I said, I'm willing to move his rights as cheap as I can..but I'm going to protect an asset. The rule yeah..it could use work for sure. Expand Yeah. I don't know if it's an asset. All he'd have to do is wait out one more season - and why on earth would anyone do that! We'd be losing a member! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:05 PM, ADV said: No cause had you made an original offer to Greene, he couldn't have done what he did. Expand He was on the FA sheets. I messaged him 2 days ago I believe on GOMHL to come back. If I knew I'd be paying a 1st and 2nd for compensation, I'd rather him be inactive. So yes, it is a deal that STRONGLY needs to be looked at by the blue and BOG. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:05 PM, Banackock said: Yeah. I don't know if it's an asset. All he'd have to do is wait out one more season - and why on earth would anyone do that! We'd be losing a member! Expand Which is why I'm offering for a 3rd and not actually trying to string you for 1sts or 2nds (the original post was probably a little more straight forward than I intended). Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:06 PM, Banackock said: He was on the FA sheets. I messaged him 2 days ago I believe on GOMHL to come back. If I knew I'd be paying a 1st and 2nd for compensation, I'd rather him be inactive. So yes, it is a deal that STRONGLY needs to be looked at by the blue and BOG. Expand He should have been marked as a RFA I think. That way everyone knew. I only realized yesterday morning tbf, when I realized Punkhippie handed out 2 year deals to everyone. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:07 PM, ADV said: Which is why I'm offering for a 3rd and not actually trying to string you for 1sts or 2nds (the original post was probably a little more straight forward than I intended). Expand We would rescind our offer - which would have resulted in losing an active member (really hope the league looks at this rule). I should have checked the rulings, but also didn't think he was an RFA. I assumed he was like Greene's situation. Anyway, dude. Thanks for the classiness. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:08 PM, ADV said: He should have been marked as a RFA I think. That way everyone knew. I only realized yesterday morning tbf, when I realized Punkhippie handed out 2 year deals to everyone. Expand Oh, yeah he should. I seen him and just tried to hop on it after losing Greene, lol. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,464 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Advantage and der meister 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehog337 3,504 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:13 PM, Frank said: Expand You're late. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,464 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:15 PM, hedgehog337 said: You're late. Expand God damn it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:15 PM, Frank said: God damn it. Expand Sorry Frank, I'm too nice sometimes. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samee 2 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 accept again Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I want to add, and I know I mentioned this to @Banackock but I think it has to just be 1 year for now since Detlev is still in an entry level deal. Though, I suppose you can technically re-sign the off-season before so who cares. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:25 PM, ADV said: I want to add, and I know I mentioned this to @Banackock but I think it has to just be 1 year for now since Detlev is still in an entry level deal. Though, I suppose you can technically re-sign the off-season before so who cares. Expand I made the change in the OP. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,742 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:04 PM, Banackock said: So they can't choose where to go. So they take a season off like Greene did and then choose where to go! Obviously right after the draft it shouldn't count, but he;'s been inactive for 2 full seasons. Little different than say me or you holding out and then proceeding. I will do the 3rd. Again, not arguing or upset at you. I just think the ruling on this is a little stupid. I see the effect they want it to carry out, but I feel they can make it stronger for situations like this. If I was';t dealing with you (someone who is a good GM and person) we may have lost a potential active player. Expand Greene didn't take a season off just to sign where he wanted to go though. He was never even offered a contract with Seattle, which is the team you GM. So if anything he signed a contract with a team he wanted to sign with because the previous team made an error. Not sure you can fault anyone but yourself on that one. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,580 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:44 PM, Kendrick said: Greene didn't take a season off just to sign where he wanted to go though. He was never even offered a contract with Seattle, which is the team you GM. So if anything he signed a contract with a team he wanted to sign with because the previous team made an error. Not sure you can fault anyone but yourself on that one. Expand Wait.. I GM Seattle? This all makes so much sense now. Yeah, I didn't sign him because of the inactivity. My bad! Not bitching about Greene though. If I would have signed him, Cologne would be paying a 1st and 2nd for him (which again, is dumb). Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,990 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:44 PM, Kendrick said: Greene didn't take a season off just to sign where he wanted to go though. He was never even offered a contract with Seattle, which is the team you GM. So if anything he signed a contract with a team he wanted to sign with because the previous team made an error. Not sure you can fault anyone but yourself on that one. Expand It's alright Kendrick. It's all been said. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,742 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 8:46 PM, Banackock said: Wait.. I GM Seattle? This all makes so much sense now. Yeah, I didn't sign him because of the inactivity. My bad! Not bitching about Greene though. If I would have signed him, Cologne would be paying a 1st and 2nd for him (which again, is dumb). Expand Hey put the attitude in, it doesn't change the error on your part. Inactivity sure, but you realize you can sign any of your draft picks to 3 year contracts and if they never make it past the VHLM, they don't count on your cap right? Thats like GM'ing 101. But you didn't sign him and thus no one paid anything. Not sure why you even added that part in Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/44498-s57-s55-d-drahoslav-detlev/page/2/#findComment-476864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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