Jamie 439 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 In just his first season in the Victory Hockey League, Brennan McQueen was unarguably the best defensive forward in the entire league. On a rebuilding Riga team, McQueen was a force to be reckoned with using his big body structure to lay out the big hit and not being afraid to throw it in front of any shot either. He ended the season leading the league in hits with 371 over the 72 games played. He also posted an outstanding 92 shots blocked which without doing any research is probably the best in the league as a forward and even better than some defensemen! Playing this style of game is dangerous though and he was near the top of the league in penalty minutes almost all season long. With still a ways to go in his career we will see if he can keep up the strong defensive play as well as improving his offensive output. He had a decent rookie season putting up 34 goals, the most of any rookie in the league but just 29 assists for 63 points on the season. If he can up his offensive output quite a bit he could be in the talks for best two-way player for the rest of his career. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarch 3,190 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Great to see you havea good season, keep it up against everyone except NY! Edited February 17, 2014 by Smarch Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Not so fast bash bro! I'm against you and I'm going to make it a debate I got 5 less hits but 9 more points. Your -59 to my +12 Your 216 turnovers to my 133. My 6 gwg to your 2. You had 166 PK minutes to my 195. Edited February 17, 2014 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 439 Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) > using offensive stats in a defensive forward argument Plus I'm pretty sure that's just hits taken, not turnovers. Edited February 17, 2014 by Jamie Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2014 > using offensive stats in a defensive forward argument Plus I'm pretty sure that's just hits taken, not turnovers. The sim counts hits when you have the puck so it essentially means turnovers or possible turnovers. Points would be for your two way forward argument which you put in for yourself as well. But the plus minus rating works heavily against you if we're just arguing defensive stats. I'm not letting you take the title of best defensive or two way forward easily or "unarguably". Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 +/- is an awful defensive stat. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 439 Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 "..in the talks for best two-way player for the rest of his career." Didn't say I was the best this season, not even close. But the two main defensive stats I was the best in so.. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) "Brennan McQueen was unarguably the best defensive forward in the entire league. " That's the statement I'm fighting against Plus minus works fine if you consider it relative to the rest of your team. There also isn't any line matching in the sim, it's totally random who u play against according to SimonT. Though the probably depends on how the other team sets their time on ice percentages. Whereas McQueen is 2nd last on his team and I'm 4th highest (including Toriyami) I'd be interested in seeing corsi ratings but I think that's only available in version 2 of the sim or something. Im a big fan of your player build and McQueen, so don't get me wrong, I'm not saying aren't a great defensive forward. But XXX is your rival, and I'm not backing down an inch Edited February 17, 2014 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 439 Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 So why are you arguing offense when it says defensive forward lol. I had more hits and three times the shots blocked. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Because as a forward your core duty still requires you to play as a forward. So offensive categories still apply. You can say best hitter though. Then it's a specialist category argument. Highest blocks as a forward is Hashtag Manning at 150. I'm also arguing because then it generates posts and views and people will see your accomplishments when they come check what going on in the thread. Win win situation Edited February 17, 2014 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,143 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Because you argued about being among the best two-way forwards, in which offense matters? Da Trifecta 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 439 Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 Because you argued about being among the best two-way forwards, in which offense matters? I'd love for you to show me where I said that. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,605 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jamie 2 gud Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 708 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 McQueen is not only the best defensive forward he is the clear ROY IMO case closed. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,143 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'd love for you to show me where I said that. "he could be in the talks for best two-way player for the rest of his career" Offensive stats sort of matter for being considered one of the best two-way forwards. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherifflobo 137 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Larsson>McQueen. I could see the McQueen/XXX battle being similar to the Smalling/Larsson battle. Just don't take my Riga hits record, okay? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2014 McQueen is not only the best defensive forward he is the clear ROY IMO case closed. Hey Ed Snider, good to see you again! Pretty sure Low has it locked up though. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarch 3,190 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 McQueen is not only the best defensive forward he is the clear ROY IMO case closed. lolz Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 439 Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 " he could be in the talks for best two-way player for the rest of his career" Offensive stats sort of matter for being considered one of the best two-way forwards. Rest of his career is in the future there bud, if you can tell me my stats for the next few seasons then I guess you can argue. If not you're just making yourself look dumb. Read the title. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Hey Ed Snider, good to see you again! Pretty sure Low has it locked up though. I don't get it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,899 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 McQueen is not only the best defensive forward he is the clear ROY IMO case closed. No one even touches Conner Low this year. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Ovechkin8 262 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) I had some of the best seasons by a D man statistically for 3 seasons in a row but all the got shit on because my +/- sucked. How does someone with -59 +/- be heavily considered for best two-way forward is a mystery lol. But the shitstirring. I like your style. Edited February 18, 2014 by 8Ovechkin8 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted February 18, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2014 I don't get it. Ed Snider comments on giroux and team Canada. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,143 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Rest of his career is in the future there bud, if you can tell me my stats for the next few seasons then I guess you can argue. If not you're just making yourself look dumb. Read the title. Perhaps you should get some offensive production to back yourself up before running your mouth on how you're going to be so rad. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,899 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Perhaps you should get some offensive production to back yourself up before running your mouth on how you're going to be so rad. To be fair, she said that if the offensive production improves that Mcqueen could become a consistent two-way award winner. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5304-mcqueen-best-defensive-forward-in-rookie-season/#findComment-42819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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