Corco 1,281 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Is There a Mathematic Correlation Between Hall of Famers Playing for Your Franchise and Your Franchise Winning Championships? Before I dive into the results of the above question, I want to explain what I mean by "mathematically significant". In statistics, you can measure the relationship between two variables with a complex formula that Excel can [thankfully] calculate so long as you have the data. The resultant of the formula is a number between 0 and 1, with the scale below showing the strength of the relationship: I plugged the data into Excel to see how strong the relationship was between having a Hall-of-Fame player playing for a franchise and said franchise having historical success winning championships. I only included franchises that were around for a decent amount of time in order to remove outliers (sorry Malmo, Moscow, DC, and Prague). These are my results: Franchise Championships HOF Players Playoff Appearances Seasons Calgary 9 31 41 68 New York/Hamilton 7 35 38 68 Seattle 8 33 36 68 Toronto 9 36 39 68 Davos/Amstel/Avangard 10 34 39 68 Helsinki 11 36 39 68 Riga/Stockholm 8 31 44 68 Vasteras/Madrid/Stockholm 2 28 24 57 Vancouver/Quebec City 3 17 25 37 Cologne 1 10 15 27 Correlation between Championships and HOF Players 0.84 Correlation between Playoff Appearances and HoF Players 0.87 As you can see by the correlation values above, there appears to be a strong relationship between the amount of postseason success a franchise has and the amount of Hall-of-Famers who have played for said franchise. Despite the numbers backing up my statement, I believe these findings are a bit flawed, for a number of reasons. This test is usually for larger data sets; the VHL had only 8 teams for 30 seasons, meaning that there was a theoretical (purely mathematical, with no external factors affecting the probability) 12.5% chance a HoF player would play for your franchise up until S31, a decently high number in terms of probability. And when I ran the numbers for those players who finished their career before the S31 expansion, the distribution was pretty even, see the chart below: Continuing on my point above, the theoretical probability that you will win a championship in the VHL is also 12.5% (using the data from just S1-S30), which is massively larger than the NHL for example, where your theoretical probability of winning a title is a mere 3.2% (with the current 31 teams; the chances will lessen to 3.1% when Seattle joins the league). Having such a high chance to win a title in any given season, compounded with that same high chance for a HoFer to play for that same franchise, will increase the strength of the relationship. This is perhaps the biggest correlating factor between my two variables; Hall of Fame players are good. Good players = more victories; more victories = more championships. You would expect there to be a strong correlation between the two, in fact I would have been very surprised if the correlation wasn't strong. For week of 11/18/2019-11/24/2019 Motzaburger, Beaviss, Cxsquared and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/72785-the-statistical-relationship-between-championships-and-hall-of-famers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 11,043 Posted November 19, 2019 Admin Share Posted November 19, 2019 This is hawt. A further point is of course playing for a championship-winning team helps HOF credentials. Not just for the Continental Cup on the resume (we have a fair few cupless HOFers), but just because those will generally be the teams with better chemistry and therefore better individual performances. So it's almost a case of which takes precedence? Corco 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/72785-the-statistical-relationship-between-championships-and-hall-of-famers/#findComment-688319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyinAmerica 2,918 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I always appreciate articles that start with a mandatory explanation of r/r-squared. (Actually not a joke.) Corco 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/72785-the-statistical-relationship-between-championships-and-hall-of-famers/#findComment-688342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepheter 590 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hey if I'm on a good team my chances will be increased. This is great news. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/72785-the-statistical-relationship-between-championships-and-hall-of-famers/#findComment-688354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motzaburger 1,590 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 That sig tho Cxsquared 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/72785-the-statistical-relationship-between-championships-and-hall-of-famers/#findComment-688372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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