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Originally I thought that as well which is why The original push was made to separate them. However if you look at the past winners you’ll find the split more even than you’d think. Even the final winner of it before it was changed was Fabio Jokinen who was known for defensive play, not offensive. It depended heavily on the season.

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As most members of the VHL know, up until S59 the Sterling Labatte Trophy recognized the league’s top Defenseman every season. With the award changes in S59 it was, however, changed to the top offensive defenseman award. In recent seasons, spearheaded by @Victor and others, this decision has been called into question. The problem was never splitting the Defensemen awards but rather tarnishing the Labatte as simply a different play style rather than the best. Today the league is officially announcing a fix to that mistake. Effective immediately the Sterling Labatte trophy shall officially return to being awarded to the league’s top defenseman. Where does that leave the Wylde award you may ask? While options were presented for removing it; the BOG, with help from the award committee, has decided it’s best to leave the award in place. Rather than removing the Wylde we have decided to keep the split and have top offensive Defenseman continue to be its own award, henceforth known as the Alexander Valiq Award, named for @Koradek‘s Hall of Fame Defenseman who revolutionized offensive play from the blue line. The 4 recipients of the Labatte under the top offensive category will be henceforth moved to being Valiq recipients to keep things clear when we go to look at Hall of Fame voting and those seasons shall remain with no winners of the Labatte. However for future Hall of Fame discussions the BOG will take into consideration if players in question would likely have taken the Labatte under normal circumstances.

There’s also the new ones I’d you'd like. The ones from this past off-season will need to be done.

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And I disagree that it’s an addition, that’s the problem. Ultimately it adds a bunch of players but I don’t seem that an addition we need. It adds no extra members and no extra activity, purely just extra players and we aren’t in a need for players so why is that a bonus? As @Quik said there’s ample opportunity for it to turn people away because they don’t like 1 TPE whore now being allowed to beat them twice (which has been proven that 3 seasons is not enough to avoid, guys like Kendrick and Boubabi made that gap up easily). So we gain more players but at the potential risk of losing more members. I don’t think that’s a positive enough benefit to be worth the risk. I’m not even talking about the burn out problem it had last time. Fine, everything applies to both and people don’t get burnt out. But that doesn’t change the perception of 1 member dominating with 2 players. We also end up with a pile of clusterfuck rules related to having 2 players creates. It adds a pile of bureaucracy for the sake of artificial inflation. I’d much rather true growth getting us more members instead of simply more players. This just comes off to me like the federal bank saying “all dollars are now worth 2 dollars”. Sure we all doubled our wealth but we didn’t actually; the bank just suddenly decided that what we have is worth more. Adding this doesn’t gain us any active members, it just artificially inflates our “bank”

As the head of recruitment it’s kinda your job to make sure that doesn’t happen

I was texting Jardy a few months back (July) to try and get his old backups. That’s the last contact I had but he was alive as of the summer for sure.

We’ve gone back to carryover being from the get go since it didn’t change much and was more complicated. But we could probably manage it easily enough since it would basically just be added as an other. In any case, as I said, I’m still not sold even on that. It’s judt the only compromised system I’d be okay with.

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That’s kinda my problem. It offers little to no benefit in the big picture but brings up a lot of potential problems. Work would count for both players so no net gain in acitivity. Not enough players to actually boost things in a significant way so no real increase there, STHS is still gonna be STHS so any different kinds of builds will quickly die so no benefit there. PP2 was always a band-aid and our cut has healed, we don’t need to cover it any more. As I said, I would only really want to consider it with like a 6 season gap so that people always have some excitement to focus on. Even then I’m not fully sold by any means but I definitely don’t like people having 2 players running the league at once. Even now when it’s just GM’s I don’t like it.

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Last I checked you haven’t updated in this system so could you try to not just assume it’s clicking a button? The math may not be involved but for every update we need to check to make sure the person hasn’t claimed too much of what they are trying to claim in a given week (happens more often than you’d think) and isn’t trying to circumvent weeks or anything else that the portal checks for. Then we need to actually check the content to make sure it’s fine and make any necessary edits to the claim to make sure it goes through cleanly. It’s a time consuming process when you get over 60 in one shot which easily happens. That also ignores ores all the work on the back end of compiling code for a completely separate scale and set of warning rules to run concurrently with ours now. And you still haven’t answered for what purpose. I’m sorry but more people trying stuff doesn’t really cut it since we both know that won’t happen. People said that last time, the first group tried it, they all failed, no one tried after that.

So am I. It’s still 5 players per season, basically half a round of draftees. Is that really worth it for the amount of red tape and potential problems we could encounter as we did last time? Its also not really enough for 3 teams because your math isn’t adding up. You’re taking an 8 season total and saying that makes 3 teams but that’s over the course of 8 seasons. You think 2 seasons in we have room to expand and not have those teams be miserable? You forget that I’ve seen every mistake the league has ever made. PP2 is one of those but so is expanding far too early. It killed any semblance of balance we had and spread teams far too thin. I’m in no rush to expand again when half the league isn’t remotely close to icing a competitive roster as it’s clearly not needed. So again I ask you, where’s the real benefit because I still don’t see it. I see something that hurt the league and lost us some very good members in exchange for a major headache and no real benefits. It’s still building the entire systems and doubling the workload for the sake of what? That’s ultimately what I’m not seeing an answer for. What do we realistically gain? Some terrible builds people will give up on? Some teams that won’t realistically be able to compete? We have very little to gain and a lot to lose.

Does the league need stimulation enough that 5 players are making that big of a difference? I think no.

That significantly messes with portal updating since we’s Need to set who everyone’s second player is and build completely different limits into them and then have every updated aware of who everyone’s first and second player is to keep track and make sure nothing is being abused. All so that they can have a shittier player? You see the problem? It creates a lot of headache for not a lot of bonus. I don’t think people are realizing this enough. I get the excitement from new guys who didn’t see this last time but take it from someone who lived it: you won’t do the things you think you will. At first everything thinks they’ll just make a “for fun” build with ridiculous attributes and stuff. However they will quickly realize that the build is awful so where’s the fun in watching your player fail? I know this because it happened exactly that way last time. That’s ultimately the problem here. You can come up with as many compromises as you want but in the end we have seen it, we have lived it, and we know it’s shortcomings. It was necessary last time for temporary survival but at this point the league doesn’t need that so it’s srtificial inflation that only serves to make new members less interested. Why would you want to stick around to have shit minutes behind 2 members owned by the same person? As someone, @CowboyinAmerica I think, pointed out 3 seasons gap does nothing to a good earner. Cornerstone and Ron we’re both dominating despite being 3 seasons apart. The gap would need to be at least 6 seasons for me to even consider it and that’s really just so people can go full careers and still have someone ready to come in and take over immediately.

But can VHL PT’s count for both players in their leagues? Because if not that unfairly ways things between the leagues. The whole point of the partnership is to be even. I just don’t get what problem is trying to be fixed here. I understood it the first time even if I didn’t like it. This time we aren’t at a loss for draftees so what problem is being solved by over complicating everything.

Honestly I didn’t have time to fully read it, I will later. But assume it’s your same argument from the BOG I don’t feel like it would go over much better than last time. Since last time it nearly killed the league (with other things I’ll admit) I don’t want to risk it for very little benefit.

I was against it when it was here, I’m against it now. I’ll hear it out but as far as I’m concerned removing it was fixing a mistake.

I believe you’re Referring to the trades from Sunday. I just fixed them.

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I do sims on my lunch break so I sometimes forget to check the trades. @Banackock normally keeps a running update of moves but he’s been understandably busy. I’ll make sure they are fixed up right now and you will be able to get them in your lines for tomorrow’s sim.