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@Spartan yeah I get all that. As stated, part of me wonders is there a better way? And with nothing to compare what we have now to, it's tough to say this is best. But I know it's better than pre-hybrid, and I'm thankful for that.

Oh I also forgot about another factor that Gustav's article did not factor in. Height and weight. Not sure how these affect the math but they probably lead to the variance at each CK/DI total in hits or PIMs in the article

I mean that is fair. But is it not also true that Puck Handling and Penalty shooting far and away go better together. Not to mention how we don't have a stat that gives Strength and Checking? Also I think of PH as the 4th/5th stat people want generally. And Strength slots in right behind it. So they aren't so far off. And like I said, you balance that via the ratios. You could make WS a less effective method to increase scoring or make it the 3rd best way to improve PH. That's what the ratios do. If SS gave .3 ST and .12 SC and WS gave .1 SC and .1 PH that is a hardly obvious choice in my opinion. Even that may be too aggressively low. But it would still be more viable than it currently is to take.

I think to this point though, WS and SS don't have to give the same amount of Scoring ability, and WS wouldn't need to give the same amount of Puck Handling as SS gives Strength. Like you could argue that WS should if given access to Puck Handling at a clip of .18 or .12 per click (spitballing) then it needs .06 scoring. I'm not expert and I have not done the math. I'm not sure. I'm just saying the room for changes like this could exist. Maybe not immediately but over time it would allow a new journey to find, what is a "meta" "optimal" build. And I think that would be cool.

I just think more so the issue is for a newer player the realization that 1 TPE into WS doesn't equate to anything isn't actually tangible until you contact your GM or until you ask question on the discord but you have access to spending TPE The nanosecond you click that create player button. Like also, if you come from SHL let's say, well there Wrist Shots do equal Wrist Shots I believe (I'm not very versed in SHL, so forgive me if I'm wrong) idk... I think that one I just see so many new players do, and it's also tough to be like "hey, you need to reroll everything bc you fucked it up noob." Sometimes it's tough to hear that. Idk I'm taking my experiences as a guy coming off my first gen player who created 8 seasons ago and then being a VHLM GM and seeing how new players take in this info.

Also @Spartan I want to point out my main reason for disliking the WS/SS thing is new players that make forwards assume they want Wrist Shot bc they are forwards and forwards take wrist shots... It's a bit counter intuitive. Idk it's something so many of them do and I understand a learning curve can be good but that one in particular is very confusing. Idk why I'm ranting about this but I am. I think my larger point is minor tweaks of which none have occurred since I joined are a totally worthwhile conversation. But the system is good and needs to continue.

I mean, I'm sure there is room to consider changing the ratios of some of the other attributes, the only thing I see never changing for good reason is OV being a 1:1 ratio as the primary way to gain Scoring. And the secondary method, whatever it is providing that .12 SC. I will say, I'd like to see a world potentially where Slap Shot is not the clear cut best secondary scoring option. Wrist Shot is terrible until SS hits 75. I personally wish instead of Penalty shooting it gave puck handling.

I will note too that players with high checking get their penalties from checking as a direct result of their attempted hits. Low checking players get their bc Simon is a dick and decided they needed a timeout at that point. Sooo yeah

I mean, as a Dman I probably would just keep the checking. But as a forward there are a couple really good arguments for not checking at all. You can't score when you are in the box for one bc less ice time. Also if you are checking you cannot be the one who picks up the loose pucks, which as a build with that high of a DF rating you'd be one of the most likely players to gather that takeaway. And third, I believe that in the sim really the only person who hits on any line is the one with the MOST checking, but how much you actually hit doesn't change the likelihood of taking penalties. I think I've seen that occur at a consistent rate regardless of the actual hit numbers. I'm no expert in the sim engine but those are my observations. So if someone spent 17 TPE on BC for 1 more DF and then just 2 more on PO to counteract the hitting I wouldn't really blame them. And I also wouldn't really advise it on a per CK basis. You may go up to 70 BC and then go, "oh, my CK at 65 is too much, let me knock that to 55" that's only 20 TPE of PO I think to significantly reduce your PIMS.

You'd need like PC to cost like 8 per. And DC to cost like 6 per and BC and DI to cost 1 per for it to technically be more efficient on TPE. So you'd only be doing this at past 1000 TPE

Grape: I started writing this some time ago and inaccuracies will be present. Readers: but but but but but what about this .... And this.... And how about this... But Grape Grape:

Discipline is very useful in the system of hybrid stats. In this system, it allows you to take Body Checking to get DF up for cheap without actually hitting more. Very good on that DC and PC get up there.

Issue is that with goalie stats, theydon't actually change playstyle outside of one. The way your skater plays depends on how you apply. Goalies just get better and better and little changes in their tendencies. So naturally this means goalies have one goal... Get better. And how do you do that. Dump as much TPE into 1 of 3 attributes as you can. It's a little stale but that's a STHS issue, not a VHL issue.

Good arty, only thing I feel like should have been covered is the loss of Factor Lee for San Diego, he was a huge reason their subpar goalie was able to play well to start the year, when the offense was anemic at best. This team is going from struggling to get out of regulation with 3+ to doing it with astonishing regularity

Yeah, your team went full bipolar, had such a strong defense and the second Lee gets released y'all's offense decided they actually need to not suck balls.

@Starchychaff the betrayal, not going to Philly! Ahhh. Lol, good luck homie! See you at the draft!

Did I just get 0? Like am I that shit?

@CowboyinAmerica Cavill - 18 GP, 6-12-0, SV% 0.877, GAA 3.63 Topper - 8 GP, 4-2-2, SV% 0.931, GAA 2.20 8 (maybe more) games in, Mr. Topper didn't have a single start... When he plays... The 21st win more.

He was and still technically is the top Dman in the VHLM.

@Spartan

@DarkSpyro My biggest regret with Lampi was not following you to Malmo. LA has been awesome but we could be doing real damage together right now! You were always a solid teammate and made my early VHL experience awesome.... Will be joining forces soon I'm sure

@Gaikoku-hito we need to petition the Forum god's to add a green arrow that points up for you buddy. Like damn, I was so confused how every team dropped in the individual rankings hahahaha. Good shit though, fun read once I actually got into it

1. V on defense. I think homeboy bench presses dummies wearing whoever we are playing next's jerseys. Most hardest hitting Dman in the league. 2. The one who blocks the most shots. 3. Well my all time favorite would be Ben Bishop (rip to what should have been a hall of fame career) but right now Tom Wilson is super fun for me to watch since moving to the DC area. 4. Elias Lampi obvi. If I can't choose my own guy then Art Vandelay. Boy is having a season worth being on future HOF ballots 5. @Beketov giving me 20 uncapped right now bc I'm soooo cool 6. Bad answer incoming but Crunch is fire.

@Ricer13get Jorged on

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