VSN Presents: S97 VHLM Awards

[Pifferfish 763]

28 minutes ago, AJW said:

4th and 7th all time single season shutout recording goaltenders lose to a goalie with 18 OTL that’s a joke

To be fair, OCO also played 9 and 12 less games than Mac and LaFleur respectively.

As percentages:

LaFleur had a 23.6% chance of a Shutout.

Mac had a 20.3% chance of a Shutout.

OCO had an 18.3% chance of a Shutout.

 

So while he was behind them in that regard, not so far that the voters should have ignored his leads in more directly influence categories like GAA and SV%.

[AJW 2,319]

1 minute ago, AJW said:

20 less wins dude! SV% and GAA are almost all identical

@Pifferfish

[Pifferfish 763]

Just now, AJW said:

@Pifferfish

You know as well as I do, those Wins have more to do with having the 8th ranked offense than OCO

[AJW 2,319]

Just now, Pifferfish said:

You know as well as I do, those Wins have more to do with having the 8th ranked offense than OCO

This I can agree on I won’t deny that

[AJW 2,319]

Can’t change the vote, can only strongly voice my opinion. Taking a page out of @Grape’s book 

[Pifferfish 763]

1 minute ago, AJW said:

@Pifferfish

In order of my priority I weigh goalie stats like so

SV%

GAA

Shutout % (better than purely tracking Shutouts)

Point % (better than wins IMO)

[AJW 2,319]

2 minutes ago, Pifferfish said:

In order of my priority I weigh goalie stats like so

SV%

GAA

Shutout % (better than purely tracking Shutouts)

Point % (better than wins IMO)

I’ve never had a goalie, and you being the one person who should 100% win the Scotty Campbell and Aidan Shaw this season… I’ll take your advice and input on this one. In my eyes I just saw the big difference in Wins and the record breaking shutouts and that’s what I was arguing

Edited Thursday at 06:20 AM by AJW

[v.2 1,450]

I WON SOMETHING

[mattyIceman 1,252]

9 hours ago, LucyXpher said:

AMAZING JOB @MichkovSzn on your first VSN post! 
Congrats to all the winners, especially @sadie for GM and @SMYLS4 for stuff...

 

Seriously.  Big job and nailed it on the first go!  Good job @MichkovSzn

[eaglesfan036 4,617]

Great write up and go flyers 

[Grape 846]

10 hours ago, AJW said:

Can’t change the vote, can only strongly voice my opinion. Taking a page out of @Grape’s book 

You forgot the part where you openly insult somebody. Do better

[TenIQ 32]

12 hours ago, AJW said:

I’ve never had a goalie, and you being the one person who should 100% win the Scotty Campbell and Aidan Shaw this season… I’ll take your advice and input on this one. In my eyes I just saw the big difference in Wins and the record breaking shutouts and that’s what I was arguing

 

I think it's important to look at circumstances as well, a VHLM team is a team, not a player, we can bring up wins and losses all we want but ultimately, we are judging a player, not a team, in performance. The scary part about an award like this is deciding where to draw the line of team performance, and individual performance. You bring up Wins and Losses, which are nevertheless important, but also a result of strong offense and defence, not just goalie performance.

 

Ultimately, OCO ended off with a higher SV% and lower GAA. On top of that, OCO set a VHLM record with shutouts in the playoffs. I understand your point but I think it comes from a flawed point of view. Shaw had a very strong offense in front of him, and still, OCO ended up at the end of the playoffs as the winner, with a weaker offense playing in front of him than shaw. Circumstance is important, and we have to view it as such. 

 

Shaw had an outstanding season, his stats where very solid, but they did not surpass OCO, I would argue the 2 goalies are very similar in stats and performance, but ultimately, OCO had a few more game winners when it mattered, under the pressure, OCO prevailed, and I believe that dictates the entire vote. Very few areas do one comes out in front of the other, but the few where an outlier exists, I feel OCO showed to come out of that on top.

 

A goalie is very easy to lump in as the main reason for a win or a loss, and it is a valid argument, but ultimately, losses come from an entire team performance, not a singular player, and I feel that argument falls into the pit of lumping the goalie as the only player on the ice, which just simply is not the case.

 

[AJW 2,319]

16 minutes ago, TenIQ said:

 

I think it's important to look at circumstances as well, a VHLM team is a team, not a player, we can bring up wins and losses all we want but ultimately, we are judging a player, not a team, in performance. The scary part about an award like this is deciding where to draw the line of team performance, and individual performance. You bring up Wins and Losses, which are nevertheless important, but also a result of strong offense and defence, not just goalie performance.

 

Ultimately, OCO ended off with a higher SV% and lower GAA. On top of that, OCO set a VHLM record with shutouts in the playoffs. I understand your point but I think it comes from a flawed point of view. Shaw had a very strong offense in front of him, and still, OCO ended up at the end of the playoffs as the winner, with a weaker offense playing in front of him than shaw. Circumstance is important, and we have to view it as such. 

 

Shaw had an outstanding season, his stats where very solid, but they did not surpass OCO, I would argue the 2 goalies are very similar in stats and performance, but ultimately, OCO had a few more game winners when it mattered, under the pressure, OCO prevailed, and I believe that dictates the entire vote. Very few areas do one comes out in front of the other, but the few where an outlier exists, I feel OCO showed to come out of that on top.

 

A goalie is very easy to lump in as the main reason for a win or a loss, and it is a valid argument, but ultimately, losses come from an entire team performance, not a singular player, and I feel that argument falls into the pit of lumping the goalie as the only player on the ice, which just simply is not the case.

 

Aiden Shaw is a VHL award named after the goalie from S20’s fyi, confused me there

[Dynamicmlb_42 29]

Jacob Longstreet gets two mentions, still a beast in the VHLM

[TenIQ 32]

22 minutes ago, AJW said:

Aiden Shaw is a VHL award named after the goalie from S20’s fyi, confused me there

Yeah, I used the wrong name while typing that up, that's my fault. Ignore that bit.

[DarkSpyro 995]

14 hours ago, AJW said:

20 less wins dude! SV% and GAA are almost all identical

It’s not the stats, it’s the user.. or Ricky would have won easily.

[Spartan 4,703]

15 minutes ago, DarkSpyro said:

It’s not the stats, it’s the user.. or Ricky would have won easily.

How have I seen this same complaint from you across your last 2 or 3 players now, spanning completely different sets of voters during that time period, and simply resorting to a cope excuse of "they saw DarkSpyro as the user and voted NO." I do not understand who would care that much to deny someone and shape voting to make your involvement the main criteria for denying you an award. It's not a personal bias, I've never seen your name come up in voting discussions about your player. I always see this same complaint from you each time though.

 

Your claim is that every BOG member, commissioner and VHLM GM have issues with you?

[Grape 846]

5 hours ago, Spartan said:

How have I seen this same complaint from you across your last 2 or 3 players now, spanning completely different sets of voters during that time period, and simply resorting to a cope excuse of "they saw DarkSpyro as the user and voted NO." I do not understand who would care that much to deny someone and shape voting to make your involvement the main criteria for denying you an award. It's not a personal bias, I've never seen your name come up in voting discussions about your player. I always see this same complaint from you each time though.

 

Your claim is that every BOG member, commissioner and VHLM GM have issues with you?

I actually set up a script that will automatically put in a "no" vote against DarkSpyro for every award they're nominated for. Don't underestimate ones hating

[Grape 846]

6 hours ago, DarkSpyro said:

It’s not the stats, it’s the user.. or Ricky would have won easily.

You're right, if it was about stats, then Trunov would've won

[jacobcarson877 2,616]

Ironically Ricky wasn't even really on my radar for the Devereux

 

For me, I'm looking generally at

 

1. Acceptable games played threshold (took out Trunov)

2. Save Percentage (OCO leads remaining)

2. GAA (OCO leads remaining)

3. Shutouts are my first tiebreaker

4. Wins are my second tiebreaker

5. Forum Activity is my third tiebreaker

6. First Gen status is my fourth tiebreaker

 

and then surely I've got a winner lmao, but with OCO winning both SV% and GAA among genuine starters, it was clear as day for me.