Guest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Johnny Football is heading to the NFL. Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel declared for the NFL draft on Wednesday following two spectacular seasons in which he became the first freshman to win the Heisman Trophy and helped the Aggies make a splash in their first two years in the Southeastern Conference. Looks like Johnny "Football" Manziel is headed to the NFL and will partake in the draft upcoming this June. Mock drafts have him every where from 3rd overall to Undrafted. There are many questions about Manziel and some have said he won't cut it when it comes to the NFL. There are also some that think he could be the next Fran Tarkenton/Russell Wilson style QB. So do you believe Johnny Manziel will be a future starting QB, or will he end up at the same grocery store Kurt Warner was bagging for? Let us know and even comment if you would like! VHL Debate Stats Debate #1 - 12 Voters Debate #2 - 3 Voters Debate #3 - ? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted January 9, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2014 Considering Russell Wilson is a middling quarterback on a team that is built to succeed without him, being the next "Russell Wilson" isn't really what I would consider a high ceiling. Fran Tarkington maybe. Either way this guy has proven himself over the last 2 years and would be fun to watch in the pros... Plus, has the intangibles that you would look for. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ace 3,112 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Low-end starter, high-end backup with the confidence to be plugged in when necessary. No Brady/Manning, but no Seneca Wallace either. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Low-end starter, high-end backup with the confidence to be plugged in when necessary. No Brady/Manning, but no Seneca Wallace either. DONT YOU DARE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SENECA WALLACE….actually say anything you want about him. He ain't on our roster anymore. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I actually have a good feeling about him. I think he'll be a good one. His football instincts are killer and I think he'll adapt well. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3vilsfire 132 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Manziel is a good qb for marketing purposes.. Hell he might even turn into something.. but I'm skeptical.. plus the teams who would probably draft him probably will stunt his growth.. I hope he makes it, like I hope everyone makes it, but i am really unsure about him Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted January 9, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2014 He knows how to win, there's more that can be said about that than physical attributes. Similar to Russell Wilson in that regard more than anything. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball 453 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think he will thrive in todays NFL. In a league where the athletic QB is just catching fire, I think Manziel will become a hell of a player given the right situation. He's got a hell of an arm, can escape like no other since Tarkenton, and has the killer instinct you want in a QB. While a team will have to totally change it's offense to compliment Manziel's game, it could pay off very nicely in the long run. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I wouldn't use my first pick to draft him imo De'anthony Thomas second round pick for the eagles Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I wouldn't use my first pick to draft him imo De'anthony Thomas second round pick for the eagles Thomas is s gamechanger. He won't fall that far, but he won't be a top 10. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) thomas won't be a 1st rounder. He wasn't a gamechanger at oregon this year imo. Edited January 9, 2014 by boubabi Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 thomas won't be a 1st rounder. He wasn't a gamechanger at oregon this year imo. Not this year because their season went a tad differently. Teams don't just look at the final year of a player though. Thomas is like Randall Cobb or McCluster in the sense that he has big play gains when the ball is in his hand, but you won't really give it to him every play. He missed 4 games this season so it was an off year. However he will be a late first round pick. He won't fall to the Eagles, teams will make sure Kelly doesn't get his hands on him. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 This could be right a late first rounder or an early second rounder. Thomas is so nice to watch and so explosive with his speed. Pure oregon player. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 This could be right a late first rounder or an early second rounder. Thomas is so nice to watch and so explosive with his speed. Pure oregon player. He is very system based. He will only work in so many schemes, but I'm sure a team can fit him in. That being said he has a burst like no one I've seen come out of college in a while Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thomas is s gamechanger. He won't fall that far, but he won't be a top 10. He's being projected as a 3rd to 5th round player so far. His smaller size (more the less-than-180-lb frame than his height) combined with his nagging injury issues in college are scaring off teams so far. I'm surprised he declared this year. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 He's being projected as a 3rd to 5th round player so far. His smaller size (more the less-than-180-lb frame than his height) combined with his nagging injury issues in college are scaring off teams so far. I'm surprised he declared this year. Yeah I've seen him all over the board. But mainly as a late first. Lacy scared guys too Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah I've seen him all over the board. But mainly as a late first. Lacy scared guys too But as we've seen with Ray Rice this year, speedier backs can be killed by those nagging injuries. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 But as we've seen with Ray Rice this year, speedier backs can be killed by those nagging injuries. Oh of course. I don't think he will be drafted as a running back. He will be drafted as a receiver like Cobb was. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle 667 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think Manziel will be a starter, nothing special though. Love the swagger the kid carries himself with, he's too fun to watch. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted January 10, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) But as we've seen with Ray Rice this year, speedier backs can be killed by those nagging injuries. Did you just compare Ray Rice to speedy running backs? http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2006-2007-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=RB Edit: He didn't even run the 40 in the combine, not sure how this conclusion was made. Edited January 10, 2014 by frescoelmo Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Did you just compare Ray Rice to speedy running backs? http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2006-2007-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=RB Edit: He didn't even run the 40 in the combine, not sure how this conclusion was made. Must you jump on me for every little thing? You know what I meant, agile backs that rely less on power. Jesus. EDIT: Anyway, Ray Rice's 4.42 40 time isn't that bad. Think about how many starting RBs are better than that. In the AFC, CJ Spiller, Lamar Miller (slightly), Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles, and then Darren McFadden and MJD (but I doubt these two are as fast anymore) ran better 40sm so while Rice may not be the fastest guy he's still one of the fastest feature backs in the AFC. Edited January 10, 2014 by Muffins Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Must you jump on me for every little thing? You know what I meant, agile backs that rely less on power. Jesus. I don't think he was jumping on you. You do tend to like debating every little thing when it comes to Football though. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Because football is life. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,745 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I don't know why, but the CJ mention reminded me of those NFL Fantasy Files videos. Anyone remember these? Da Trifecta 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted January 10, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2014 Must you jump on me for every little thing? You know what I meant, agile backs that rely less on power. Jesus. EDIT: Anyway, Ray Rice's 4.42 40 time isn't that bad. Think about how many starting RBs are better than that. In the AFC, CJ Spiller, Lamar Miller (slightly), Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles, and then Darren McFadden and MJD (but I doubt these two are as fast anymore) ran better 40sm so while Rice may not be the fastest guy he's still one of the fastest feature backs in the AFC. Read up on his combine profile. "Lacks prototype breakaway speed, especially for his size". That being said, 4.42 (unofficial) is good, but would you consider guys like Matt Forte, Rashard Mendenhall and Johnathan Stewart slower than him simply because of their fourties? And that is just in the 2008 class. It tells a pretty good story if a running back doesn't run the fourty, short of injuries. He ran the 20-yard and 3-cone so I'd guess there was nothing wrong. Agile is also different than speed, the former of which yeah I'd tend to agree. I don't think he was jumping on you. You do tend to like debating every little thing when it comes to Football though. Always stirring the pot Kendrick!!! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3829-debate-3-manziel-flash-in-the-pan/#findComment-28697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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