My first ever sig

[Beketov 9,145]

13 minutes ago, boubabi said:

it should be, because the end result is the same. You apply the same rules for everyone else. That's not complex. 

 

If you need me to expose sketchy shit (like award voting, like auto 6, player 2 bullshit), what is doing the blue team really ? 

Really? Punishment for first offence should be the same as repeated offenders? So prison sentence for an ounce of weed should be the same as dealing meth too?

 

Your arguments don’t make any sense. If I just laughed at what he did and responded with “yup, fuck Boubabi” then you’d have an argument. Thing is, I didn’t. I reacted acccordingly given that it was a stupid joke and a first offence. Same as I didn’t suspend you over a first offence. But once I started to lose count of the complaints it became necessary. Your irrational dislike of me has completely made you incapable of seeing things as they truly are. Instead you have decided that every decision I make has the end goal of making your life miserable.

[boubabi 4,725]

Murder is murder

 

 

[Beketov 9,145]

5 minutes ago, boubabi said:

Murder is murder

 

 

And this isn’t murder. The fact that you think the situation is the same regardless of all circumstances proves that you can’t look at things rationally. If we banned every member for making one rude post we’d have no one left. That’s all this was, one rude post. What you did wasn’t. It may have been 1 rude post that pushed us over the edge but it was far more than that working against you.

[diamond_ace 3,114]

1 minute ago, boubabi said:

Murder is murder

 

 

You're the only one here equating fucking graphics with murder. If I wrote an article (I'd argue I'm the writing equivalent to you on graphics, or one of a select group anyway) and someone stole the idea and general structure of the article and then wrote one that was similar, without acknowledging the idea came from mine, would I be pissed? Probably not because I'm just not that type of person, but that would be a justifiable reaction.

Would I compare it to murder? No.
Would I argue over and over on multiple topics, including with a member of Blue Team, about how it needs to be stopped? No.

Would I mockingly do the same thing to someone else's articles to try to prove a point? No.

On some level, it stops being about the point, and starts being about the shitty way you go about the point. That matters, whether you want it to or not - and as you're not Blue, you don't get to decide whether your point is more important than the shitty way you're going about it.

[boubabi 4,725]

so why you banned me for a rude post ? How many rude post is required for a ban ? Is there a number ? Who's the judge for the number of "rude post"

 

let me know 

[boubabi 4,725]

1 minute ago, diamond_ace said:

You're the only one here equating fucking graphics with murder. If I wrote an article (I'd argue I'm the writing equivalent to you on graphics, or one of a select group anyway) and someone stole the idea and general structure of the article and then wrote one that was similar, without acknowledging the idea came from mine, would I be pissed? Probably not because I'm just not that type of person, but that would be a justifiable reaction.

Would I compare it to murder? No.
Would I argue over and over on multiple topics, including with a member of Blue Team, about how it needs to be stopped? No.

Would I mockingly do the same thing to someone else's articles to try to prove a point? No.

On some level, it stops being about the point, and starts being about the shitty way you go about the point. That matters, whether you want it to or not - and as you're not Blue, you don't get to decide whether your point is more important than the shitty way you're going about it.

figure of speech, yo uheard that ? 

Edited December 9, 2017 by boubabi

[diamond_ace 3,114]

Just now, boubabi said:

extrapolation, you heard of that ?

hyperbole, you heard of that?

overreaction, you heard of that?

non sequitur, you heard of that?

[boubabi 4,725]

Just now, diamond_ace said:

hyperbole, you heard of that?

overreaction, you heard of that?

non sequitur, you heard of that?

too late, I edited my post before yours

[diamond_ace 3,114]

Just now, boubabi said:

too late, I edited my post before yours

Your original post is forever enshrined in my quote. Plus, your edit doesn't really change my point.

[boubabi 4,725]

I don't know what it brought to the table but okay ,sure 

[diamond_ace 3,114]

That a figure of speech equating graphics to murder is all three of the things I said

 

hyperbole (an exaggeration beyond what is reasonable)

overreaction (self explanatory)

non sequitur (a conclusion that does not follow from the argument before it)

 

Figure of speech or not, it's ridiculous to say that.

[boubabi 4,725]

Just now, diamond_ace said:

That a figure of speech equating graphics to murder is all three of the things I said

 

hyperbole (an exaggeration beyond what is reasonable)

overreaction (self explanatory)

non sequitur (a conclusion that does not follow from the argument before it)

 

Figure of speech or not, it's ridiculous to say that.

I guess ridicule is what the league needs to open their eyes euh 

[Kesler 1,514]

Never met more of a nuisance. 

[diamond_ace 3,114]

Just now, boubabi said:

I guess ridicule is what the league needs to open their eyes euh 

Our eyes are open. The league has decided that the graphics bar is lower than you personally would like it to be. You're whining that the bar should be higher, they're telling you it's not, and you can't accept that because you think you should be the decision maker on that issue. Instead of acknowledging that the matter is not in your hands, you try to make your point via ridicule and exaggerated comments, because that's just who you are and what you do. You don't determine what makes a sig 6 worthy, you don't determine where the bar is for what is considered enough work, and you can't handle that. Like I said in the other post, you're taking your ball and going home - except in this case, unlike the mag, the ball isn't yours to begin with.

[boubabi 4,725]

4 minutes ago, diamond_ace said:

You're whining that the bar should be higher, they're telling you it's not, and you can't accept that because you think you should be the decision maker on that issue.

I acknowledged that the standard is low and I'm ready to play by the rules. The sigs I posted are playing with the current rules and it made a drama. Not my fault

Edited December 9, 2017 by boubabi

[diamond_ace 3,114]

1 minute ago, boubabi said:

I acknowledged that the standard is low and I'm ready to play by the rules. The post sig above you is playing with the current rules and it made a drama. Not my fault

You posted it with the specific intent of it causing drama and are now acting like you don't know why it did. Had you just posted the sig and nothing else (potentially a little blurb on how you now understand where the bar is, without making it sound like you're still bitter that you're not the decision maker), it might actually have been fine.

[boubabi 4,725]

Just now, diamond_ace said:

You posted it with the specific intent of it causing drama and are now acting like you don't know why it did. Had you just posted the sig and nothing else (potentially a little blurb on how you now understand where the bar is, without making it sound like you're still bitter that you're not the decision maker), it might actually have been fine.

take a look at my original posts and you would see 0 drama created, just sig for 6 tpes. What are you spreading false statement like that ? 

[diamond_ace 3,114]

1 minute ago, boubabi said:

take a look at my original posts and you would see 0 drama created, just sig for 6 tpes. What are you spreading false statement like that ? 

I am spreading nothing. You know what you were doing, you even named the post "tpe" which is the most passive aggressive thing I've seen you do (you're normally just aggressive aggressive)

[boubabi 4,725]

and kendrick's title "Just here for TPE Pt.2" isn't agressive, right ?

 

you make my replies easy to make d_a, you really do 

Edited December 9, 2017 by boubabi

[boubabi 4,725]

how you interpret my title is out of my control. No harm were intended in those sig, just plain 6 tpes 

[Devise 4,475]

Enough of this. Locked. If you guys wish to have legitimate conversations about the auto 6 point task rule or the standards of an acceptable graphic in the VHL there are sections to do that objectively, without it being the direct subject matter of someones work. Boubabi was already suspended for 48 hours for turning a members potential point task into a flat out attack. 

 

For the record, the VHL has always taken a soft approach on policing point tasks in this league. We do this because we like to trust that our members are competent enough and trusting enough to not abuse what is a relatively simple to use system. When we switched to the auto 6, this was in an effort to broadly acknowledge all levels of interest in our league. It meant that if your grammar wasn't amazing, you could still sit down spend some time on an article and still get the points you should be owed. After all this is just a fake sim league, where the efforts are purely for fun. It feels strange due to some members proclivities for drama that I need to emphasis that last sentence. This is for fun. 

 

That said, there was a clear difference and a distinction surrounding both the circumstances and quality of work of Booms graphic and the one Boubabi posted in the past two TPE examples. While I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject of graphics, and ultimately whether or not these graphics are considered acceptable standard for a point task will fall into the hands of @DollarAndADream, the sheer fact that Boubabi admitted to having a number of preset quick graphic duplicates as examples ready to post just to try and antagonize the situation more is the very reason there is a difference. Boom was never trying to manipulate the circumstances to earn false TPE. Which means that if there is to be determined a "lack of acceptable standard" with Boom and his graphics, that it was entirely unknown to him. Boubabi is doing these posts for the opposite purpose, and that is clear. His intent is malicious, he wishes to try to expose something and become the forefront of controversy. 

 

This leads to the reason Boubabi was banned in the first place, and why we felt punishment needed to be dolled out. Privately the Blue Team has had talks with Boubabi about his antagonizing personality around the boards, and how more and more members were expressing concerns that it was creating a toxic environment. I'm not going to list names, we know some of the names in question due to Boubabi throwing them through the mud, but I can assure people there wasn't just one or two of them. When we approached Boubabi about it, we were told that people would have to deal with how he presents his opinions, and that it wasn't his problem. 

 

Before I continue with this story I just want to note, that in my entire time in the VHL we have always been a pretty, non politically correct community. We allow members a very long leash when it comes to bans, or punishments, because ultimately we feel that if they can try to grow through or work on those issues themselves, it's likely that the community will be stronger for it. Besides who likes the ban police telling users how they can post? But that doesn't mean we ignore repeated issues and complaints. So that is exactly what we did with Boubabi. We watched. And just more and more evidence began to pile on, before he rudely pushed a member of ours out of the league for no other reason than he didn't like the quality of his graphic snub. That is ultimately what pushed it over the edge, and ultimately why his banning is an entirely different circumstance than someone calling out someones graphic. 

 

I'm hoping I didn't need to explain this to the whole community, and that just by looking at the situation people can understand why we've been dealing with Boubabi in the way that we have. I know some members wanted us to ban or remove him a lot sooner than this, but I have remained adamant that the leash is a pivotal part to how we always run our community. Anyway, can we please stick to posting legitimate attempts at graphics here and not just turn this league into a giant joke? Thank you.