Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted February 14, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2014 I don't know why grading requirements for graders was ever reduced in the first place, it is a way to consistently have positions available for new members to get involved. Reducing the amount of grades required for points and auto-locking point tasks seems pointless to me. They are extra points and are way too easy to obtain now, especially with auto-locking 6's where graphic graders can simply say "yes" twice and be done with it. REMEMBER THE DAY WHEN PHIL, JARDS AND I DID 30-40 A WEEK?! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The Auto 6 was brought in because PT's were stacking up. So if guys want to get rid of it, Graders better step their games up. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grumpy Bear 347 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 That's not a problem in graphics anymore Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Media spots are more tedious, dont see the need for it in GFX, especially with them needing twice the grades for TPE Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted February 14, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2014 Sounds like an easy way out instead of just hiring more people. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 There is no problem, except for Jardy. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted February 14, 2014 Admin Share Posted February 14, 2014 Sounds like an easy way out instead of just hiring more people.if you hire too many people, some never get to grade and leave. there's always only a handful of active graders and when they struggle/get bored with their incredibly shitty job, we have problems. I don't know what a second grade will give someone who already got a 6/6. We've already established getting a 6/6 on graphics is reserved for actual great people who don't need criticism to improve. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 498 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I've gotten a 6/6 once since the one grade rule, and I honestly felt cheated. I post all of my sigs in the Graphics/Design forum, but usually the feedback is limited to "dooooope" from Kesler and a few other remarks. The only place to get guaranteed feedback is in the Point Tasks forum. There's no reason that GFX graders can't keep up with doing two grades, since so few 6/6s are given out anyway. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted February 14, 2014 Admin Share Posted February 14, 2014 but what could have they said if they gave you a 6 apart from "doooope"? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 498 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Tell me what they like? Why, in this sig, did I get a 6 instead of another sig? And the second person can just as easily disagree and offer some advice for improvement. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
probably not noah 346 Posted February 15, 2014 Author Share Posted February 15, 2014 Tell me what they like? Why, in this sig, did I get a 6 instead of another sig? And the second person can just as easily disagree and offer some advice for improvement. It's a failed experiment in the graphics community. Maybe it works for media spots, but it doesn't for GFX Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted February 15, 2014 Head Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2014 if you hire too many people, some never get to grade and leave. there's always only a handful of active graders and when they struggle/get bored with their incredibly shitty job, we have problems. I don't know what a second grade will give someone who already got a 6/6. We've already established getting a 6/6 on graphics is reserved for actual great people who don't need criticism to improve. 1). It's called darwinism. 7 points are easy enough to get around here with a little effort, don't make the extra 2 points that separate the best from the rest a cake walk. I had no problem firing bums who didn't do their work when I was a head grader, you just have to create a competitive atmosphere. 2). This is a shot in the dark but unless that 'actual great people' list is established you will always have conflicts of interest because graders are a dime a dozen, and they don't know any better. There will probably be conflict of interest regardless of how that fleshes out. It is one grade and one opinion; it should not be assumed that it is how everyone views the point task. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,745 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Tell me what they like? Why, in this sig, did I get a 6 instead of another sig? And the second person can just as easily disagree and offer some advice for improvement. I look at every sig posted in cnc but rarely feel I have the expertise to give advice to people who are obviously better then me. I can try but I'll feel stupid saying it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-41796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,130 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Content: 3/3 - When it comes to grading, it's very black and white with media spots. Either it has 450 words or it doesn't. It has good grammar or it doesn't. It has pictures/colors or it doesn't. With graphics, it suddenly turns into a gray area, something much more subjective. That's where the multitude of different grades come in: the grader's opinions have far more effects on the final grade. For clarity's sake, when grading score for grammar, I will allow one error per 100 words. I don't think it's reasonable for a 500 word article and a 1,000 word article to be given the same amount of mistakes before being docked. I've really only had to dock for grammar a handful of times, as the writers in this league do a pretty good job with it (and yes, I meticulously check for errors). Additionally, the simming problem does not begin and end with Jardy. I've always wondered, why is it always on Jardy? Why does no one help? Seems to me it isn't quite as simple as just blaming Jardy. Grammar: 2/2 - nobody is quite sure what to expect from grades = nobody is quite sure what to expect from graders (?) Appearance: 1/1 - You made graphs. Of course it's a free point. Overall: 6/6 - Leaving this unlocked to allow further discussion. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^ 6/6 this should be auto locked no more discussion Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Doomsday, not everyone can help. It's either Jardy or Higgins. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Something I just remembered as I was looking through this thread again is that someone (potentially 808, but I'm not positive) suggested allowing TPE to be earned similar to a fan590 for actual constructive CnC in that part of the forum. This could fix the "problem" of the auto 6 lock for graphics and offer an alternative to a PC. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 498 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 If required I could be a judge for whether CNC is 'valid' or not. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Ovechkin8 262 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 If required I could be a judge for whether CNC is 'valid' or not. How would that help? Then grading just turns into a mess of who's opinion is more valid. Also flyersfan it was me. I'll post the original thread wording in my next post. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Ovechkin8 262 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 "Give members an alternative to writing Fan590s. Giving QUALITY CNC (3 sentences or points or 60 words(not repeating if someone has already commented) on 3-5 graphics in the general graphics section for 1 TPE. This way people will actually comment and give CNC for people that need to improve. Could help the site as a whole. If the idea gets a good reception here I'll post to the main forum." Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 498 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 How would that help? Then grading just turns into a mess of who's opinion is more valid. Also flyersfan it was me. I'll post the original thread wording in my next post. I meant for the CNC thing. Just to verify to make sure people aren't claiming TPE for saying "nice sig". Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherifflobo 137 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Or Doooooooopppppeeeeeee!!!!! ? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 498 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Nah saying that counts as 2 TPE Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I could do that since I guess that's a Head Grader thing. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-42529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Claimed Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/5204-claimedthe-grading-problem/page/2/#findComment-49819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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