Beketov

That is completely not how that’s working. None of the VHL teams are going anywhere.

A lot of you have been, understandably, asking questions after the Announcement last night and while we’re doing our best to answer them all as best we can some are likely to get missed; especially if we don’t have the answers yet or if they get buried in the announcement or on discord. That’s why I’m making this thread. If you have any questions regarding the VHLE this is the place for them! I can’t promise we’ll have answers right now but we’ll try to get them for you as quickly as we can.

@Domg5 all finished up, list is in your OP if you want to go over it and make sure I didn’t screw up somewhere.

Ah I see you made sure to stop the quote before the HoF part…

Hard to say for each gen but based on our math there’s likely around 66 players that would fit into the bracket which lines up well for 6 teams.

Bragging rights and extra stats are still something if people want that route. The intention is for everyone to go through the VHLE so we didn’t want to make it too advantageous to skip but there is some benefit present.

Just needs to average 66.77 goals per season for 9 seasons. No problem.

It’s fine, I just deleted the extras

I got that from the other 3 times you said it

Did you read the announcement at all? I mean it’s not much different than the players who go up at 250 right now. You trade a worse rookie season for some extra stats.

I’d argue they already aren’t choosing to play much under it. 99% of players don’t play when they are under the VHLM’s 250 cap anyway and a number of those stop just shy of that limit and enter the VHL at 350 anyway. This arguably just gives them a better place to spend that time than in the developmental league. I do get the concern though that it adds a step and that is why we extended the career clock as well. It is our hope that most players who would normally take this path and therefore only get 7 years will actually get the full 8 now. In addition to that if they take extra time they won’t be hit by depreciation as hard like they are now. So it’s a bit less choice (which many of them weren’t choosing anyway) in exchange for some increased quality of life improvements.

Didn’t take in pier 21? It is the namesake of the team after all.

@Sixersfan594 I really don’t want to have to DQ you on the last pick of the draft, come on bud.

To give a bit of perspective if I remember my count correctly: going back as far as S70 there would be a dozen it would realistically apply to as an option (people around 325-350 at the draft) and only 1 that would have been a guarantee (was at like 390 or something at the draft) So it will happen but we’re talking maybe 2 people per draft who will realistically be able to do 9 season careers and even fewer, like 1 per generation, that is guaranteed to do it.

We’ll keep an eye on the numbers but in all likelihood I don’t see them getting used. With lower TPE numbers there should be slightly more breathing room down there.

We offer the man Vasteras back and he still demands more smh

Luckily there’s 6 teams, we can have all 3!

They will be part of the vote for sure.

There haven’t been Euro M teams in ages.

Pretty much. Scotty had 600 goals, no one else has even hit 500. So even with an extra season you’d need over 100 goals that season while being in pace to already be second place all time. Scotty’s records are plenty safe.

VHL's Third League Hello @Members! For awhile now the @BOG have been teasing a more robust option to deal with the roster room issue we have been experiencing lately. Many of you have been assuming this means more expansion, despite us continuing to refute those claims. Well... the expansion claims and us saying they are wrong were both correct in a sense. Today the VHL is announcing that the VHL and VHLM will no longer be the only leagues contained within our Community, we are adding a third, the Victory Hockey League: Europe. Be design the VHLE will fit between the VHLM and VHL so that players are not stuck at the VHLM level passed when they should be there, making the M as a true developmental league, but also not getting pushed to the VHL before they are ready for it. This will open up the rosters of the VHL teams as they will only contain the higher TPE players. Specifically the caps for the individual leagues will be: VHLM: 30-199 TPE* VHLE: 200-399 TPE* VHL: 350+ TPE *Of note these limits operate in the same way as the VHLM does now. So you can claim past the TPE limit but you cannot apply past it. Obviously there's a bit of weirdness at the bottom there as the VHL starts at 350 while the VHLE doesn't end until 399. This is intentional to allow players above 350 TPE to enter the VHL if they so choose but they are not forced to do so until the 400 TPE mark. This does mean that some players can, or will be forced to, skip the VHLE completely; know that this is not necessarily a guaranteed step in your progression. If you are above 350 TPE by your VHL draft and want to skip the VHLE completely you may do so. VHLE Leadership Obviously the @Commissioner and @VHLM Commissioner teams are already quite busy with the VHL and VHLM respectfully so running a whole third league will not fall on them, a new Commissioner team will be added to cover the VHLE. @Acydburn and @Victor have graciously offered to head up this new leadership group. This will of course involve Acyd giving up his current Green team role (which we will be hiring for) to head this new league into the future including hiring the GM's for the new roles, which leads me nicely into the next topic. VHLE Teams and Mentality In effect the VHLE is not a developmental league like the VHLM. Its purpose is not to recruit and retain members and it's GM's will not be bound to that mantra like the @VHLM GM's are. The job of an VHLE GM is to be competitive within their bracket. It will still have the fast turnarounds of the VHLM given it's small TPE window but teams may use their assets as they please to get the most out of their teams and win. Notice I did say VHLE GM's. TheVHLE teams will not be controlled by @VHL GM's or VHLM GM's but rather be new GM opportunities in their own right. But for what teams? Well that's up to you all to decide. Seeing that the league has many amazing old European teams that have been left to the sands of time, we will use those teams to make up the VHLE with the league voting on which 6 they want to see. This means that the Vasteras Iron Eagles, for example, could return; and / or the Cologne Express, Stockholm Vikings, and many others. We have the teams, we have the logos, and we see no reason to not use them so they will make up the pool of teams you all can decide on. The poll for this will be going up soon. Layout wise with the league being only 6 teams at the moment will be simple: 1 conference with the 4 top teams making the playoffs per season. In addition the VHLE will not be affiliated in any way with the VHL or VHLM so it will be simulated as an entirely separate league, the same way the two are now. Think the KHL rather than the AHL. Contract wise the league will be similar to the VHLM with more or less a "free for all" mentality. If a player has been drafted to the VHL they will receive their VHL contract but otherwise all players are signed to $1.5M contracts with no bonuses or salary cap to speak of. This could change in the future if we feel a cap and formal contract structure would improve the VHLE but we want to see if that's necessary first. Draft Structure, Career Length, and Depreciation Adding a third league will obviously affect how drafts and career lengths operate within the VHL. With the VHLE placed where it is in a player's career, and the expectation that they will spend at least one season there, it would obviously create problems for the career clock if we didn't address it. For that reason player careers will be formally extended to 9 seasons, with draft seasons being set the same as they always have. This means you will be eligible for both the VHL and VHLE draft in the same season; potentially all three if you time it right. If, at the draft, you are at or above 350 TPE and would like to go straight to the VHL you still get the 9 season VHL career, adding a year onto the total you can have now. If you spend a season in the E league, as most will, you don't lose out on a VHL season and still retain the 8 that is currently available. So, for example, let's take a player that creates at the S79 deadline. We follow the same rules as now so his VHL draft is S81. In his season and a bit in the VHLM this player earns 200 TPE. This player is drafted to both the VHLE and the VHL. He does not have the minimum TPE to play in the VHL so goes to the VHLE for S81, finishing with 350 TPE or the minimum to play in the VHL. At this point he can choose to either go up to the VHL and play 8 seasons from S82 or he may chose to stay down for a season and would enter the VHL in S83. In either case he retires at the end of S89, having played 7 or 8 seasons. An alternative example is a super heavy earning player. Let's assume he creates at the same time and has the same draft date but has a bunch of carryover and gets a very large amount of TPE in the VHLM. He enters the drafts at 350 TPE, the minimum to play in the VHL. He may choose to skip the VHLE completely and go straight to the VHL in S81. He will then play for 9 seasons and retire at the same time in S89. Nine seasons does add one caveat however; depreciation. As it stands right now depreciation only hits for 3 seasons, season 6-8 of your career. This holds two problems, one exists currently and one is new. The more obvious one is that having 9 seasons means we need to add a depreciation level. For this the same percentage (7%) from year 8 will be used but we will not be adding an additional depreciation fighter to the store that can be used for this season. That means only the Jagr purchase can help you fight 9th season depreciation, you must take the full 7% hit. The second problem, which exists now, is that players can spend extra time in the minor leagues and be hit with depreciation in their "6th" season but that could be, in fact, their 4th VHL season. This does not seem fair to hit lower earners with so quickly, even being percentage based, so we are changing depreciation slightly. Depreciation seasons are now based on VHL seasons played, not seasons since your draft. That means a player who skips the VHLE and plays 9 VHL seasons will be depreciated 4 times. A player that plays 1 VHLE season will be depreciated 3 times, and so on. So if a player takes his time to get to the VHL and only plays 5 VHL seasons he will not face depreciation by the time he is forced into retirement. Call-Ups, Send-Downs, and Graduation Bonus As all VHLE players will be owned by VHL teams as well the issue of call-ups and send downs must be addressed. Like the cap situation this may change later but to start we will only be allowing call-ups and send-downs during the off-season and, obviously, only if the player in question meets the TPE bracket for the league they are being sent to. This means that at no point mid-season can a player be plucked away from their VHLE team to join their VHL team, similarly no player will be pulled from the VHLM to join the VHLE. Whatever league you start the season in is the league you finish the season in. In addition the graduation bonus will remain in place where it is, exiting the VHLM. With the VHLM remaining as a "training ground" of sorts it makes the most sense to reward players for graduating from there. The VHLM to the VHL or VHLE is what we are looking at as the "upwards" movement while the VHLE to VHL is more of a lateral move in your career. Introduction Timeframe Obviously a change this large can't be implemented immediately and start next season. We would not want players who have already created but are undrafted to be left suddenly being told there's an extra league before the VHL that they were unaware of. There's also a matter of dealing with the players who currently sit on VHL rosters that are under 350 TPE and wouldn't be allowed under these rules. Therefore, the VHLE first season will be S80 meaning players that retire at this deadline will be the VHLE's first draft class. Players currently on VHL rosters who are under 350 TPE at the start of S80 may remain on the roster if they so choose or they may be placed into the VHLE draft, remaining as prospects for the VHL teams that drafted them. Likewise any players currently drafted who are still in the VHLM will be given the option of going to the VHL or the VHLE at 200 TPE. Their career clock remains unchanged however; only players starting in the S80 draft will be given the 9 season career and new depreciation rules. Hi, my name is Beketov, and if you have any questions, please try to direct them here:

Day 3 going live!

@Zetterberg’s #4 officially takes the win and he may claim 5 TPE. Everyone may use their banners as PT’s of course. If anyone’s wondering the other entries were: 1. @Frank 2. @gorlab 3. @enigmatic 5. @v.2

@Sixersfan594 still has one more pick, last one of the draft.

G - Jacob Tonn @Wolverine