Why are the Prague Phantoms struggling?

[LucyXpher 2,005]

3 minutes ago, badcolethetitan said:

Also (last one) but if you’re arguing the “depth DF” sucks isn’t that just the same thing as me saying “and the builds suck”? Feel like that’s the same thing as I assume you’re saying the depth DF (defense attribute) is bad. Maybe I’m wrong though. @LucyXpher

Well not exactly, you seemed more focused on the fact that I decided to go for PA over SC in the part that I responded to, even going so far as to humorously suggesting that this choice was to potentially tank the team's season lol-- that's a huge stretch.  I don't necessarily disagree though that there's a few players that could have built a little more effectively with the TPE they had, but not so much in terms of SC/PA, but for DF and other core attributes like SK and PH that I think every player should have.  I have no issue with the critique that Prague needs better depth though.  It is what it is and this team probably looks better next season and the one after.  

 

7 minutes ago, badcolethetitan said:

Idk if Stefano has much help offensively, but there’s players who can help defensively (Tetricide) and or pass to set him up. Seems like he’s the only one scoring. The rest of the Shooting % (for the most part) seem low.

 

Also on another note: Isn’t swapping lines a lot usually not a good idea? Or is that just what GMs who are IA say?

Well offensive help for an individual scorer starts with passing-- which we have-- but yes, we could use a couple more 85+ SC players to help him out that way.  Realistically, though, I think having more forwards fill that hole makes more sense than pointing the finger at my decision to bias passing when we have two other high earning defenders who are leaning SC-- in a couple seasons, we'll have plenty of SC. Probably more of a development timing issue than anything.

 

As for line shuffling, I have no idea if changing more is bad, but I personally don't change Malmo lines all that often since I'd rather see a larger sample size before deciding what works.  Tet is in charge so that's a question for him since I really don't know how often they were changed, but they certainly were not static.

[LucyXpher 2,005]

12 minutes ago, Nykonax said:

There's a reason for that.... not that I would know.

 

what's Helsinki's lines rn. I'd bet that it's Rave-Ironhide-Kemp, Lamb-Anyone. If it's not then @McLovin should get on that

Yep, but if everyone built the same way, the league could get boring and taking the PA option means I get to have 96 DF, 97 PH, and 96 SK to go with 84 PA.  Anyone calling my build bad is trolling.

 

and yes, those are the lines, but I bet Shotzky would perform pretty well Ironhide and Rave.  I wonder if they've tried that  @McLovin?

[Frank 5,451]

I blame @badcolethetitan

[Nykonax 1,643]

23 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

Anyone calling my build bad is trolling.

Over the hybrid Era scoring first dmen (>450 TPE) score significantly more than pass first. Also you've gone from 86/79/92 points to a now 62 point pace. Surely your build isn't better than before?

(Sorry should clarify for people not familiar with boxplots. The thick bar in the middle is the average points scored. The top and bottom are the 25% and 75% percentiles. The lines going up and down are the range of the data. So for example the least a score first dman has scored is ~55. The average score first dman is about 80. 25% of score first dmen are below 70 points, 75% are below ~88. The highest was like 108.)

Edited Thursday at 10:44 PM by Nykonax

[McLovin 505]

Being told what lines to run as my team is on a 7 game heater with the most goals scored in the league is so funny to me. I love y'all hahahaha

 

[Pifferfish 821]

4 hours ago, badcolethetitan said:

Why are the Prague Phantoms struggling?

 

Disclaimer: I will be looking at builds and moves in the off-season. I want to start this by saying I am not trying to trigger people and piss them off. I already know this is going to probably cause an absolute banger thread, as people will come to defend Prague. I'm just going to be stating why they are bad while also showing some specific areas on the team. This is all in good fun and forum content and I'm not trying to hate on anyone. Thanks.

 

Forwards

 

First up, we have the forward core. Realistically, this core isn't anything amazing, but it isn't terrible to begin with. On paper, they've got two game changers in Stefano and Thorvaldsson who should be able to carry the offense, but the rest of the forward core is basically mid. However, that's not the biggest issue. It's the builds. First off, Jussi Jokinenegg has a brutal build with points in basically everything and also being a pass first type of player. I think pass first players can actually work on teams if there's only like one of them, as linking up your best scorer with a pass first player is not a bad idea, however, this is false for this team. They've got multiple pass first players, including Jokinenegg. I don't really want to rip into this guy too much as I'd feel bad, but he needs to get a re-roll and Tetricide needs to help him with his build. He's got so many points in useless categories that just waste his TPE. Shocker that this player hasn't really done too much offensively and is underperforming. As for the rest of the offense, there are some questionable build decision making but I'm not going to call out builds that could be slightly better. Tetricide's player needs more scoring so he can help offensively as his team is essentially pass first demons. He would have a legacy season if he did so. The shining light on this team is Matteo Stefano who is a first gen that has been exceptional for this team. He's got 34 goals already and could possibly get 40 by the season end, but it's just crazy that a first gen who is new is essentially carrying this team on offense. The rest of the team is too low TPE to really matter and sure their builds could be optimized, but it doesn't really matter too much. The main takeaway is the top players need to be the ones generating offense and when you've got subpar builds, it's going to trickle down all the way to the bottom of the lineup. In reference, here is Jokinenegg's build so you can see what I was talking about earlier:

 

 

Just get him his re-roll when you can and it'll fix that issue right away!

 

Defenseman

 

Alright, this is the part of the roster that needs saving. The goaltending is not good, the offense has questionable builds but at least they have Matteo Stefano popping off, however, the defense is basically abysmal. I'm not going to talk about OD or Acyd as their builds are good for their TPE and they aren't the issues. I'll start with Petit Hughie who decided to have a pass first build on defense. Again, not the worst, but now that's two players with pass first builds and that's already a fair amount for a team to have, especially since your offense doesn't really have a pure goal scorer besides Matteo Stefano (shocker he's having a career year basically). We basically have chefs who are willing to cook up the food, but no customers as the goal scorers are MIA. Hughie has 86 PAS 70 SC which basically makes him pure passing. Again, alone not bad, but in numbers very bad. So alright, we've got two pass first players and no real scorer, surely it's not too bad right? Two pass first players can't be awful, I'm sure teams have done it before? How about 3. Now we go to Leitner and this is where things are going to be spicy. So Leitner ended up trading her own player from Malmo (the team she owns) to Prague. I'm sure there friends so all is good, here is the trade below and take note of the date:

 

 

All seems good, we're not judging the value on the trade or anything, just showing you Lucy Leitner went from Malmo to Prague. It seems Lucy bought the re-roll on Feb 10, 2025, don't know when specifically it was approved then or later on, but it says approved so I guess it might've been that date. 9 days later, she's traded which is fine, but the build wasn't set up yet, so she was sitting at 0 TPA for her player. Then about a week after getting traded, she finally rolls her build and it seems decent at first (February 25). I understand why she re-rolled, she had too many points in leadership (I assume this is why) and wanted to spend it elsewhere, alright, makes sense. However, then about 2-3 weeks later, she randomly tosses like 70 TPE into passing and nuclear bombs her build with already two pass first players on the team, with one of them already on defense. Why would you do this? You just basically screwed your entire build and your team by giving them now three pass first players, while also having your best player be AGAIN PASSING. Sorry for my language, but who the hell is going to score goals for this team!? We have a million passers but nobody wants to put the puck in the net. Our best player(s) are legit passing demons and refuse to put the puck in the net. Why would Lucy decide to take her build from scoring at the time where she was having a great career to then just 180 flip it to passing. It's not like she's going to gain anything out of this either, I mean Malmo has Pragues S99 2nd, but there's really no use in trying to bomb a team for a 2nd round pick. I am just very confused at this, maybe she didn't look at the team and their builds, or maybe she just wanted to go full passing and try something different? However, why would you do this after getting traded to a different team, while (hopefully) realizing you already have pass first players and you need shooters on this team. Regardless, I'm sure we'll hear about it down below as I'm curious to see from her point of view why she did this. It's very interesting that after getting traded and a month we randomly decide to pass first and screw our build and the team either further. Who knows why?

 

Also if you're wondering how I know dates, I have an unknown source allegedly.

 

Goalies

 

Last up, we have goaltending. Prague has some pretty subpar goaltending to be honest. They've got a 671 TPA started and a 470 TPA backup, which the backup is basically irrelevant as it's only going to play the minimum amount of games. I won't be focusing on the backup, instead on the starter. They have the fourth worst starting goalie based off of TPA in the league. The only teams that are worse are London, Malmo, and Warsaw, where two of these teams are legit trying to be bad, while London with a lower TPA goaltender is ahead of them. Looking at sv%, they rank 25th out of 33 goalies who have played in the VHL this season (this includes bots and backups). Not the place you really want to be as some backups and bots literally have better stats. Their GAA is fairly decent, with right being around the average (slightly above it), but still, not the worst I guess. Also, Redzic (who is Tetricide's friend in his defense) has already played more than the minimum amount of backup starts with 10 games started. If you're chasing a playoff spot and wanting to make it in, what's the point of playing your worse goalie extra games and screwing yourself over. I could understand if he accidently left Redzic in and the file just carried over the starter (in this case Redzic), but if you're chasing the playoffs while already being behind, you should be looking out for these things. Like I said, in Tet's defense, it is his friend so he might just be wanting to give his friend an extra couple starts as it is his last season anyway. Regardless, it's very clear that Prague's goaltending is NOT good. It probably just needs to be average and it can't really do that and that really hinders this team. On paper, Prague is much better than London and London's goalie is worse TPA wise, but they're ahead, which is not a good sign. Prague can still make it into the post-season, but they're gonna need some miracle streak and Simon to bless them for that to happen, which seems very unlikely at this point. The good news is that Prague has an off-season to fix all this, but they've got to get something going. I guess this is payback for making the playoffs last season with 20 wins!

 

Conclusion

 

In conclusion, this team is underperforming for a multitude of reasons. Their goalies are subpar and can't hang around the league average, they lack multiple goal scorers, with their only being Stefano, and half this team is pass first basically, with bad builds. Their best players aren't goal scorers (Lucy + Tet's player) as one is pass first and the other looks like a two way forward type of build. They literally have no one who can score goals and couple that with bad goaltending, this team was doomed to fail. I'd love to hear the thought process behind this and I can't wait for @LucyXpher and @Tetricide to chime in as I'm sure they will. I hope this will create some forum content because with all the new people coming in, I'm sure they'd love to see some!

 

Guess I'm the villain this time around, huh? Btw here's the team's builds with the pass first player's circled:

 

 

This analysis is fair, couple of quick points I'll make from the FO of Prague. 1) Jussi is retiring after this season, so no room to reroll. 2) Thorvaldsson switched from D to C so his build wasn't optimized for being a forward, he was building a defensive defenseman at first, so he is kind of trying to turn his build into a forward via brute force over the course of a season since he already spent his free reroll. 3) we knew going into this season we weren't really going to be contenders now, it's a longer term plan than that, we certainly didn't expect it to be this bad this season, but also a lot of that is the ungodly amount of Penalties we are taking too. In game where we aren't taking 5 PKs we are playing close with teams like Davos... Just the norm has kind of become taking 5 PKs and giving up 2-3 on them. 

 

Good article @badcolethetitan, do analysis on Helsinki after the playoffs next!

[Nykonax 1,643]

7 minutes ago, McLovin said:

Being told what lines to run as my team is on a 7 game heater with the most goals scored in the league is so funny to me. I love y'all hahahaha

hey you're running exactly what I told you to and look what's happening haha

[Pifferfish 821]

1 hour ago, Spartan said:

 

Jeez, okay, everyone we are going to Tet's house with pitchforks, torches, picketing signs, and bullhorns... LFG, I'll bring orange slices for everyone too and Juice boxes.

[Grape 886]

1 hour ago, LucyXpher said:

Anyone calling my build bad is trolling.

I think re-rolling to an objectively worse build is trolling but that's just me

[LucyXpher 2,005]

1 hour ago, Nykonax said:

Over the hybrid Era scoring first dmen (>450 TPE) score significantly more than pass first. Also you've gone from 86/79/92 points to a now 62 point pace. Surely your build isn't better than before?

(Sorry should clarify for people not familiar with boxplots. The thick bar in the middle is the average points scored. The top and bottom are the 25% and 75% percentiles. The lines going up and down are the range of the data. So for example the least a score first dman has scored is ~55. The average score first dman is about 80. 25% of score first dmen are below 70 points, 75% are below ~88. The highest was like 108.)

Yes, so first, I am aware that SC primary defenders do score more.  I won't dispute that, which is why PA is cheaper to add.  That being said, scoring points isn't the only consideration for a build.  In order to get high SC in the 1250 TPA range (which is where I have to be generally to avoid depreciation), you have to give up a few points in DF, PH, and SK.  I made the decision to prioritize those attributes over SC and that has it's own benefits (which I don't think have been realized this season, but may come out when the team is better in the future).  It's somewhat of an experiment, but to say that the build I've decided on is "bad" is hyperbolic, that's all I'm saying.  It may not be ideal if you're aiming for points over all else, but there's a lot more to sims than points and investing in DF, PH, and SK are typically a good move.  

 

Also, from @Pifferfish: 

 

Maybe SC primary collects more points over the course of a career, but there's clearly alot of value in PA primary builds as well and with my other attributes being higher than basically anyone on this list, i'm could easily land in this range under different circumstances.  I think it has much more to do with team synergy than anything else.  I'm pretty sure my player would put up comparable (if not better) numbers than most of the players on this list if I simply replaced them for the season.  Something just hasn't worked for Prague in S98.

Edited Thursday at 11:58 PM by LucyXpher

[qripll 571]

32 minutes ago, Pifferfish said:

it's a longer term plan than that

I don't think there is a plan after trading 1sts including 1st overall, a lottery one and a 1st from S100 and still somehow missing the wild card spot.... 
At this point, I really feel bad for Tet

[Pifferfish 821]

Just now, qripll said:

I don't think there is a plan after trading 1sts including 1st overall, a lottery one and a 1st from S100 and still somehow missing the wild card spot.... 
At this point, I really feel bad for Tet

Nah, trust the process. 

[LucyXpher 2,005]

20 minutes ago, Grape said:

I think re-rolling to an objectively worse build is trolling but that's just me

 

So I should have kept my 99 LD and 61 DI?  I was told that would be trolling... I like the new build better and I think on paper most would agree not knowing which is which.  

[Nykonax 1,643]

9 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

Maybe SC primary collects more points over the course of a career, but there's clearly alot of value in PA primary builds as well and with my other attributes being up there, i'm well within the range.  I think it has much more to do with team synergy than anything else.  I'm pretty sure my player would put up comparable (if not better) numbers than most of the players on this list if I simply replaced them for the season.  Something just hasn't worked for Prague this season.

The plot I posted showed in season totals, not career totals. If you were a score first player instead of a pass first player you would have more points. If those players in the top 10 were score first players instead of pass first players they would also have more points. I don't think there's any situation in which a pass-first player will outperform a score-first player. Your player would put up more points if you replaced them, just because you have insanely high TPE and would be stat-checking people. That doesn't change the fact that in those situations if you were a score-first player you'd be scoring even more points than them in their situations.

I also think it's hard to say points don't matter in the sim when the main problem with Prague has been a lack of scoring.

 

 

9 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

So I should have kept my 99 LD and 61 DI?  I was told that would be trolling... I like the new build better and I think on paper most would agree not knowing which is which.  

Unironically 60 DI is really good. DI reduces hits which reduces penalties which means your team is on the PK less which is just good. LD is maybe troll but I don't think anyone really conclusively knows. (the only people upgrading LD are those who are already super high TPE and score points, or are people doing experiments and sacrificing it at the cost of actual key attributes like DF and SC so then their players suck irregardless. Either way there's bias in who upgrades LD so it's impossible to tell)

[Nykonax 1,643]

Just now, Nykonax said:

Unironically 60 DI is really good. DI reduces hits which reduces penalties which means your team is on the PK less which is just good.

Following up on this, each point in DI correlates to about 1 less penalty minute. So 20 points in DI = 10 less penalties = 2 less GA assuming 80% PK over a season.

Get an entire team to do this, 10 players * 10 less penalties = 100 less penalties = 20 less GA over a season, that's pretty significant.

[LucyXpher 2,005]

22 minutes ago, Nykonax said:

The plot I posted showed in season totals, not career totals. If you were a score first player instead of a pass first player you would have more points. If those players in the top 10 were score first players instead of pass first players they would also have more points. I don't think there's any situation in which a pass-first player will outperform a score-first player. Your player would put up more points if you replaced them, just because you have insanely high TPE and would be stat-checking people. That doesn't change the fact that in those situations if you were a score-first player you'd be scoring even more points than them in their situations.

I also think it's hard to say points don't matter in the sim when the main problem with Prague has been a lack of scoring.

I mean it's impossible to say how my player would perform with SC over PA.  On Prague this season, maybe I would score more, but under different circumstances with different teammates and build chemistry, who knows.  I don't think anyone really understands the relationship fully between PA and SC builds which is why most just go for the SC primary build and call it a day since that generally performs better.  You're still missing my point about how SC costing more means I can't have 96 DF, 97 PH, and 96 SK to go along with 84 PA.  The trade off is dropping each of those down by at least 3-4 points each.  And sure that probably works, but I still think that those 3 stats being higher has more value than having a SC primary build and I haven't seen enough of a sample size to convince me otherwise.  That's the experiment.

 

Also, technically, my player is a SK primary player since there's more than a 10 point gap between SK at 96 and PA at 84, also PH at 97 and ST at 90 help my player keep and control the puck (in theory).  As per the decision making formula from Simon himself, SK, PA, and SC are all primary decision making attributes: 

Theoretically, if Prague had some strong finishers, I think my player could really have a strong season.  We just don't have that roster right now.

 

Prague has a scoring issue, sure, but I'd put that down to a lack of SC primary forwards and lack of depth DF.  Prague has the 5th most goals against right now and the 6th fewest goals for so safe to say both offense and team defense have been a struggle.  I'd argue that improving team DF though would easily help solve alot of the scoring issues more than having another SC primary player.

22 minutes ago, Nykonax said:

Unironically 60 DI is really good. DI reduces hits which reduces penalties which means your team is on the PK less which is just good. LD is maybe troll but I don't think anyone really conclusively knows. (the only people upgrading LD are those who are already super high TPE and score points, or are people doing experiments and sacrificing it at the cost of actual key attributes like DF and SC so then their players suck irregardless. Either way there's bias in who upgrades LD so it's impossible to tell)

Except last season I had 115 pims with 99 LD and 61 DI.  This season I have 40 so far with 0 in both attributes.

Edited Friday at 12:29 AM by LucyXpher

[Spartan 4,797]

3 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

Except last season I had 115 pims with 99 LD and 61 DI.  This season I have 40 so far with 0 in both attributes.

Frankly I've always been of the opinion that hits are distributed to the top 2-3 players on a team with the highest CK, which I don't think anyone has actively tested, but you have the lowest CK out of the defensemen on your team and then another 2-3 forwards. So the PIMs in my theory would not be flowing to you. But that's just conjecture from my observations as a GM over the seasons and a VHFL fan.

 

35 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

Also, from @Pifferfish: 

 

Maybe SC primary collects more points over the course of a career, but there's clearly alot of value in PA primary builds as well and with my other attributes being higher than basically anyone on this list, i'm could easily land in this range under different circumstances.  I think it has much more to do with team synergy than anything else.  I'm pretty sure my player would put up comparable (if not better) numbers than most of the players on this list if I simply replaced them for the season.  Something just hasn't worked for Prague in S98.

I think we like to look at stats in a vacuum a lot, but we're not providing context for these situations. The 92/83 is playing on VAN with a crazy group of scoring forwards, the 93/85 is on TOR with another phenomenal group of scoring forwards. Leitner is not playing with that talent, and isn't driving offense herself either because of the combo of the build being pass first. That's where the scoring defensemen add a lot of value, because they can generate points themselves too. I'm not going to say the build is bad in a vacuum, because it's not. Bo Johansson basically did the same thing, but Shindigs and Mubbles tried to build around that in Chicago and added the scoring players to make it work well. PRG didn't necessarily consider all these variables so you guys agreed to basically make Leitner worse when given the context. 

 

Is it bad to experiment? Not at all, I think there's a lot of people who are going to observe this experiment and make various conclusions about it. I don't know what will be the right one because it's a single example (season), and no 2 teams will look exactly the same.

[Nykonax 1,643]

16 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

Except last season I had 115 pims with 99 LD and 61 DI.  This season I have 40 so far with 0 in both attributes.

 

5 minutes ago, Spartan said:

Frankly I've always been of the opinion that hits are distributed to the top 2-3 players on a team with the highest CK, which I don't think anyone has actively tested, but you have the lowest CK out of the defensemen on your team and then another 2-3 forwards. So the PIMs in my theory would not be flowing to you. But that's just conjecture from my observations as a GM over the seasons and a VHFL fan.

Yeah PIM is more of a function of hits (which is a function of attributes + team variation). So it's hard to analyze a single season sample. Your player could be just getting less hits and thus less PIM because other people on your team are doing the hitting. It doesn't change that over last 17 seasons of data DI is correlated with less hits and PIMs.

[Spartan 4,797]

8 minutes ago, Nykonax said:

 

Yeah PIM is more of a function of hits (which is a function of attributes + team variation). So it's hard to analyze a single season sample. Your player could be just getting less hits and thus less PIM because other people on your team are doing the hitting. It doesn't change that over last 17 seasons of data DI is correlated with less hits and PIMs.

See who needs these boring ass stats guys when you can just have eyes instead smh. Jokes aside stats in a vacuum are good for trends, but you do need to understand the context in which you're trying to apply them.

[LucyXpher 2,005]

3 minutes ago, Spartan said:

Frankly I've always been of the opinion that hits are distributed to the top 2-3 players on a team with the highest CK, which I don't think anyone has actively tested, but you have the lowest CK out of the defensemen on your team and then another 2-3 forwards. So the PIMs in my theory would not be flowing to you. But that's just conjecture from my observations as a GM over the seasons and a VHFL fan.

Interesting theory, this actually makes some sense tbh so that could be part of it.  I also didn't notice much difference between PIM totals before and after adding DI so I wasn't sold on keeping it.  

 

5 minutes ago, Spartan said:

I think we like to look at stats in a vacuum a lot, but we're not providing context for these situations. The 92/83 is playing on VAN with a crazy group of scoring forwards, the 93/85 is on TOR with another phenomenal group of scoring forwards. Leitner is not playing with that talent, and isn't driving offense herself either because of the combo of the build being pass first. That's where the scoring defensemen add a lot of value, because they can generate points themselves too.

I think this is the point I'm trying to make.  I think there's much more to point scoring in context than there is in pure player build.  I mean Simon's Worst Nightmare with 59/61 PA/SC is 3rd in defensive scoring, which suggests to me that in the right environment, PA/SC matter much less than DF, PH, and SK. SWN has 94 DF, 85 SK, and 86 PH.  It's not super shocking when you realize he's been the best defender on a team with Gunner and Targaryen.  The points come easy then.  Maybe with an SC dominant build i could have 10 more points with the current roster construction-- maybe-- but is that getting us in the playoffs?  I'm still curious to see if this build can actually work, but I could also just let depreciation "fix" it for me and reallocate the points if need be.  

[LucyXpher 2,005]

11 minutes ago, Nykonax said:

 

Yeah PIM is more of a function of hits (which is a function of attributes + team variation). So it's hard to analyze a single season sample. Your player could be just getting less hits and thus less PIM because other people on your team are doing the hitting. It doesn't change that over last 17 seasons of data DI is correlated with less hits and PIMs.

right except hits are actually good if they're clean... so there's definitely a line somewhere where DI can actually just waste the points you invest in CK.  Like if you don't want to hit or take pims, why invest in CK?  Or maybe there is something to Spartan's theory where the top rated CK players get the lions share of hits and pims because STHS just compares stats to determine who does what anyway. Point being, don't invest in DI if you have less CK than 2-3 other players at your position? idk lol

[Spartan 4,797]

Just now, LucyXpher said:

I think this is the point I'm trying to make.  I think there's much more to point scoring in context than there is in pure player build.  I mean Simon's Worst Nightmare with 59/61 PA/SC is 3rd in defensive scoring, which suggests to me that in the right environment, PA/SC matter much less than DF, PH, and SK. SWN has 94 DF, 85 SK, and 86 PH.  It's not super shocking when you realize he's been the best defender on a team with Gunner and Targaryen.  The points come easy then.  Maybe with an SC dominant build i could have 10 more points with the current roster construction-- maybe-- but is that getting us in the playoffs?  I'm still curious to see if this build can actually work, but I could also just let depreciation "fix" it for me and reallocate the points if need be.  

Which I think is fine, I'm not necessarily pointing fingers and saying something is outright troll or sabotage or whatever. I'm saying that if I was PRG GM, I first wouldn't make that trade in the first place and if you were rerolling to fix the DI/LD situation, I would not encourage you to go passing since I'd want you driving offense yourself and producing points which SC does instead of PA. I don't think anyone believes you single-handedly tanked PRG, the flaws with the rest of the roster are plain as well.

 

TL;DR of my contributions in this whole thread:

1. don't rush your way out of a rebuild

2. don't go PA builds if your team is lacking scoring

3. too many players with 60+ CK on a team will put you in PIM hell

[v.2 1,478]

Someone explain Simon’s Worst Nightmare (@zepheter)

[Spartan 4,797]

Just now, LucyXpher said:

right except hits are actually good if they're clean... so there's definitely a line somewhere where DI can actually just waste the points you invest in CK.  Like if you don't want to hit or take pims, why invest in CK? 

I don't think you were around in the meta era, but it was the strat to have as little CK as possible on a team for this very reason. Don't check? Your PIMs are much lower. Now it's tied to BC so if you want high DF, you have to invest into it a little bit at the highest of ends, or you can pay the steep price to avoid it.

[badcolethetitan 1,024]

2 minutes ago, Spartan said:

2. don't go PA builds if your team is lacking scoring

this was essentially my whole point. Too many passing builds with lack of scoring builds will nuke your team.