2015-16 NFL Discussion

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I hope not, only because I am a CAL fan and hate Cleveland.

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I have absolutely no faith in this QB draft class. I think the best one will be Dak Prescott, and I don't even know if he will be taken above the 4th round

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Laughing at the Steelers fans crying about Jeremy Hill's tweet. Yes, Hill fumbled etc, but the ability of Pittsburgh fans to constantly harp on about the past is hilarious. From the Tomlin trip to Vick on the sidelines, threats from players on social media, Mike Mitchell's hit on Jones last year and Mike Munchak vs Reggie Jones, the Steelers labeling any other team as "classless" (throwing shit was stupid)is an absolute joke. I have no love for the Bengals, just someone who enjoys watching the game and offseason moves/college championship etc. Be proud of your team, but don't be fucking hypocritical.

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19 minutes ago, boom said:

Laughing at the Steelers fans crying about Jeremy Hill's tweet. Yes, Hill fumbled etc, but the ability of Pittsburgh fans to constantly harp on about the past is hilarious. From the Tomlin trip to Vick on the sidelines, threats from players on social media, Mike Mitchell's hit on Jones last year and Mike Munchak vs Reggie Jones, the Steelers labeling any other team as "classless" (throwing shit was stupid)is an absolute joke. I have no love for the Bengals, just someone who enjoys watching the game and offseason moves/college championship etc. Be proud of your team, but don't be fucking hypocritical.

 

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20 minutes ago, boom said:

Laughing at the Steelers fans crying about Jeremy Hill's tweet. Yes, Hill fumbled etc, but the ability of Pittsburgh fans to constantly harp on about the past is hilarious. From the Tomlin trip to Vick on the sidelines, threats from players on social media, Mike Mitchell's hit on Jones last year and Mike Munchak vs Reggie Jones, the Steelers labeling any other team as "classless" (throwing shit was stupid)is an absolute joke. I have no love for the Bengals, just someone who enjoys watching the game and offseason moves/college championship etc. Be proud of your team, but don't be fucking hypocritical.

Both fanbases are though, so I'm not surprised.

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Serious question, what fans seem to be the best, if the above two are the opposite? Are any teams fans really any better then another?

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That's why I don't like the steelers. They play dirty, and I don't really mind that. But they seem to get mad when people play dirty against them.

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Ha.

 

Steelers-Bengals Incidents

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49 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said:

I have absolutely no faith in this QB draft class. I think the best one will be Dak Prescott, and I don't even know if he will be taken above the 4th round

I dont think Prescott is even going to play QB in the NFL. i dont know if Goff even has the arm strength to play in Cleveland and the bulk to play in the AFCN, but i think Wentz can be a star in the right system. He's only thrown 600 some passes in college so he still needs some work. 

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What about Lynch(Memphis)? Pretty raw but could be OK.

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15 minutes ago, Pavel_Ovechkin said:

I dont think Prescott is even going to play QB in the NFL. i dont know if Goff even has the arm strength to play in Cleveland and the bulk to play in the AFCN, but i think Wentz can be a star in the right system. He's only thrown 600 some passes in college so he still needs some work. 

Maybe. I am wary of QBs with small sample sizes (like Cardale Jones last year), and also wary of any player on the Browns! Lol

 

Prescott was really the only guy I remember in the draft conversation besides Cardale Jones before the season. He has 23 career interceptions and 114 total TDs, he seems like a model read option guy. Height is a little lacking but he's big enough to hold up I think

 

i think Lynch could be a solid qb as well. Take out his freshman year and he is an incredibly efficient player

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48 minutes ago, boom said:

Serious question, what fans seem to be the best, if the above two are the opposite? Are any teams fans really any better then another?

Well all fanbases have their shit. Pitt and Cincy's fanbases just take it to a very poor level. Best fans? Probably Saints fans haha

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37 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said:

Maybe. I am wary of QBs with small sample sizes (like Cardale Jones last year), and also wary of any player on the Browns! Lol

 

Prescott was really the only guy I remember in the draft conversation besides Cardale Jones before the season. He has 23 career interceptions and 114 total TDs, he seems like a model read option guy. Height is a little lacking but he's big enough to hold up I think

 

i think Lynch could be a solid qb as well. Take out his freshman year and he is an incredibly efficient player

 

Prescott has really bad mechanics though and he has just an above average arm, he's probably a faster Byron Leftwhich. I dont think Lynch has a good enough arm either which is surprising for his size, he underthrows a lot of deep passes. 

 

the thing to like about Wentz is he has everything Andrew Luck did out of college, the ideal size, the athletic ability, the arm strength to make any throw with good zip but struggles to throw the ball downfield, the downside is he'll be 24 and he doesn't have a whole lot of college work. when the season starts compared to 22 with Goff, but Wentz has played in both a spread and under center, he wont need to transition from shot gun all the time to undercenter both from a play action perspective and reading coverages because you have less time to see the whole field from a snap under center. 

 

I like Goff for the accuracy and the 2 years younger, but i like Wentz for having all the physical tools

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I do think under the right coaching (the Browns for example) Goff can be a Peyton Manning type of QB, probably not as many touchdowns but a guy who is hard to beat while Wentz floor is a suped up Alex Smith (bigger, faster, stronger arm) 

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Browns right now have one of the worst teams in history just about. There's not much good to talk about there. Plus considering they have Johnny Manziel, who is good and has shown starter caliber when ACTUALLY given a chance (imagine that? Giving a first round pick a chance?), Austin Davis, who sucked in his play but they didn't sign him to that 2 year extension for no reason, and now this rookie qb? Seems very risky to count him as a talent if the Browns once again waste a first round pick.

 

As for this Wentz guy, I've never actually heard about him before you said something. So I'm just not sure. Then again I'd never heard of Goff as well until suddenly he was the consensus #2 pick.

 

That's why I don't like this qb draft class, the top 3 QBs are Goff, a guy I didn't hear about until I saw the player rankings, Wentz, a guy I don't know aa thing about and haven't seen him anywhere, and Lynch, who I only heard about at like week 9-10 whenMemphis  was starting to get some publicity

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17 hours ago, ADwyer87 said:

Browns right now have one of the worst teams in history just about. There's not much good to talk about there. Plus considering they have Johnny Manziel, who is good and has shown starter caliber when ACTUALLY given a chance (imagine that? Giving a first round pick a chance?), Austin Davis, who sucked in his play but they didn't sign him to that 2 year extension for no reason, and now this rookie qb? Seems very risky to count him as a talent if the Browns once again waste a first round pick.

 

As for this Wentz guy, I've never actually heard about him before you said something. So I'm just not sure. Then again I'd never heard of Goff as well until suddenly he was the consensus #2 pick.

 

That's why I don't like this qb draft class, the top 3 QBs are Goff, a guy I didn't hear about until I saw the player rankings, Wentz, a guy I don't know aa thing about and haven't seen him anywhere, and Lynch, who I only heard about at like week 9-10 whenMemphis  was starting to get some publicity

 

In history? you must be under 25. the Browns have one of the best history in NFL football, it wasn't until they left and came back they have been horrible.  Theres alot of good right now, they got the guy considered the best HC hire, they have one of the best OL, they have Josh Gordon who's got the talent to be a top 5 WR in football, they have a shit ton of cap space to fix the defense. Manziel isn't that good, hes about average, but the off the field stuff takes him down to being well below average, i mean he lied to the team not once but twice, didn't even bother to show up to the last few practices in games, he's becoming one of the biggest cancers football has ever seen. 

 

not hearing of Wentz just tells me you dont really follow football too well, the same with Goff. Greg Cossell ranks Goff higher than Winston, and says he's a better passer than Mariota Daniel Jeremiah from NFL.Com ranks Wentz as a top 4 pick, Jeff Risdon from ESPN radio has heard Wentz could also go top 4 based on his senior bowl and combine from an NFL scout. its not like either one is that bad, and both probably would have gone ahead of Winston due to his off the field issues from last year, 

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I don't know, like I mentioned in the SHL this years QB class isn't as high profile and is high risk, high reward. Whereas last years was predictable in a way. Goff is a greater thrower, but he still needs to be polished a lot in other areas.

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34 minutes ago, Pavel_Ovechkin said:

 

In history? you must be under 25. the Browns have one of the best history in NFL football, it wasn't until they left and came back they have been horrible.  Theres alot of good right now, they got the guy considered the best HC hire, they have one of the best OL, they have Josh Gordon who's got the talent to be a top 5 WR in football, they have a shit ton of cap space to fix the defense. Manziel isn't that good, hes about average, but the off the field stuff takes him down to being well below average, i mean he lied to the team not once but twice, didn't even bother to show up to the last few practices in games, he's becoming one of the biggest cancers football has ever seen. 

 

not hearing of Wentz just tells me you dont really follow football too well, the same with Goff. Greg Cossell ranks Goff higher than Winston, and says he's a better passer than Mariota Daniel Jeremiah from NFL.Com ranks Wentz as a top 4 pick, Jeff Risdon from ESPN radio has heard Wentz could also go top 4 based on his senior bowl and combine from an NFL scout. its not like either one is that bad, and both probably would have gone ahead of Winston due to his off the field issues from last year, 

When I said history I meant THIS Browns team, as in the 2015-16 Browns, not the entire organization. Beside Joe Thomas, who is incredible, Josh Gordon, who has played 5 games in the past 2 seasons, and the new head coach, which there's plenty of great coordinators who have turned into terrible coaches, I don't see much. It's not like I'm the only one as well, plenty of analysts have said this as well.

 

As far as too QBs go, looking at a few preseason top college qb lists, I see Goff top 10 in most, so that's my bad, but I barely see Wentz, so maybe he just failed to make a big splash? Or maybe he had one good season, which is an incredible risk to go top 4 with, let alone first round.

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10 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said:

When I said history I meant THIS Browns team, as in the 2015-16 Browns, not the entire organization. Beside Joe Thomas, who is incredible, Josh Gordon, who has played 5 games in the past 2 seasons, and the new head coach, which there's plenty of great coordinators who have turned into terrible coaches, I don't see much. It's not like I'm the only one as well, plenty of analysts have said this as well.

 

As far as too QBs go, looking at a few preseason top college qb lists, I see Goff top 10 in most, so that's my bad, but I barely see Wentz, so maybe he just failed to make a big splash? Or maybe he had one good season, which is an incredible risk to go top 4 with, let alone first round.

Wentz plays for North Dakota State, he won't show up on pre-season top 10's haha

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Jared Goff*, QB, California
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
1/9/16: In 2015, Goff completed 64 percent of his passes for 4,719 yards with 43 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. He beat up on weak competition early in the season, but he didn't play as well against quality opponents like Utah, UCLA and USC. Goff bounced back to close out the regular season well against Stanford and Arizona State.

Still, Goff demonstrated his strong, accurate arm and quality field vision. He also has functional mobility to avoid rushers and pick up some yards on the ground. Goff needs to add weight for the NFL and also could have some issues with getting rattled and handling the rush at the next level.

Goff's stats are inflated by a college offense that has a lot of instant passes though. Coming from his college system, he will need development for the NFL with field vision, working under center and holding up in the face of a pass rush. Goff has displayed good mechanics at times, but also has had some issues maintaining that when faced with a lot of pressure, and that led to some bad habits of throwing off his back foot. He has said he is working to correct those problems.

Some scouts said that Goff has been overhyped. One scouting director said that Goff was a good player, but he didn't feel he was top-of-the-draft worthy right now. Another scout said they were lukewarm on Goff as a pro quarterback.

In speaking to another general manager from a team that is among the best at evaluating and developing quarterbacks, he felt that Goff was the best of the draft-eligible signal-callers. Obviously, there isn't a real consensus about Goff among NFL evaluators.

8/8/14: Goff enjoyed a breakout 2014 season. The sophomore completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,973 yards with 35 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Goff displayed some pocket-passing potential while playing with a less-than-ideal supporting cast. He struggled against USC's good defense taking sacks and had a few interceptions dropped. Goff needs to perform better against top competition. He became the starter as a freshman in 2013 and completed 60 percent of his passes for 3,508 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

 

 

Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
Height: 6-7. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
1/9/16: In 2015, Lynch completed 67 percent of his passes for 3,778 yards with 28 touchdowns and three interceptions.

Lynch has a great skill set, but is raw and needs development. His footwork and field vision are the primary areas to improve. Lynch has an arm that can make all the throws for the pro game, and he flashed the ability to pass accurately and beat good coverage with precise completions into tight windows. However, Lynch was inconsistent with passing accurately and working through his progressions. He needs to become more consistent with the ability to thrive as a pocket passer.

Lynch also has the athleticism to make plays with his feet and or throws on the run. His draft stock rose dramatically with Memphis' strong start to the 2015 season, which included an upset over Ole Miss.

In his previous seasons as a starter, Lynch used his running ability more. As a sophomore, he ran for 321 yards with 13 touchdowns while completing 63 percent of his passes for 3,031 yards with 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Lynch completed 58 percent of his passes for 2,056 yards with nine touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a freshman.
 

 

 

Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2016): 1-3.
1/9/16: Sources say that Cook has good height, weight and delivery, but a number of evaluators don't really like him. They think he's too inaccurate and question his lack of leadership with his team not voting him a team captain. If one highly touted quarterback prospect slides like others have in years past, Cook could be the prime candidate.

In 2015, Cook connected on 56 percent passes this year for 3,131 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He played well against Oregon, but wasn't overwhelming against some mediocre opponents, though he had a prolific game against Rutgers. The Spartans have admitted their play calling was overly conservative at times and needed to let Cook throw more often. Late in the regular season, he played with an injured shoulder.

Cook has athleticism, good size, experience in a pro-style system and a strong arm that can make some beautiful throws downfield into tight windows. However, he isn't a quarterback who drops back and throws 50 times a game while dominating a defense. His accuracy needs improvement as well. Cook was more of a game manager for Michigan State, and that could be his future in the NFL.

8/8/15: Cook completed 58 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,214 yards with 24 touchdowns and eight interceptions. League sources identified Cook as a potential high first-round pick. He needs to improve certain aspects of his game to meet that grade though, mainly accuracy. Cook has proven to NFL evaluators that he has a big arm, pocket presence, the mobility to avoid rushers and roll out, and the ability to make the occasional precision throw. Cook plays in a pro-style system and has shown steady improvement with his ability to function out of the pocket while working through his progressions.

Cook has often thrown the ball better than his numbers illustrate. He can make some amazingly accurate throws into extremely tight windows for completions downfield, but also has some inconsistency with his accuracy on the routine passes and when going deep down the middle. Cook has to improve his footwork, which in turn will help his accuracy.

2013 was Cook's first year as the full-time starter, and he got off to a slow start before coming on strong in the second half of the season to help lead the Spartans to a Big Ten title and victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl. Cook completed 58.7 percent of his passes for 2,755 yards with 22 touchdowns and six interceptions for the year. He had great games against Ohio State (24-40 for 304 with 3 touchdowns, 1 interception) and Stanford (22-36 for 332 yards with 2 touchdown, 1 interception) to close out that season.

 

 

 

Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2016): 1-3.
1/9/16: Sources have said they really like Wentz's skill set, and he has the potential to grade out as an early round pick, even a first-rounder. For that to happen, Wentz is going to have to dominate at the Senior Bowl.

Wentz missed the end of the 2015 season with a broken wrist. This year, he completed 64 percent of his passes for 1,669 yards with 16 touchdowns and two interceptions. Wentz also had four rushing touchdowns.

As a junior, Wentz completed 64 percent of his passes for 3,111 yard with 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. He also had six touchdowns on the ground. Wentz was a backup as a freshman and sophomore.
 

 

Cardale Jones*, QB, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2016): 2-3.
1/9/16: In 2015, Jones displayed his big arm and great skill set, but must get better at reading the field and with his passing technique. He was undefeated in his 11 starts in college, but with so little playing time, needing development is understandable. Jones has hinted that he will enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

Jones completed 63 percent of his passes this season for 1,460 yards with eight touchdowns and five interceptions. Aside from his right-arm cannon, he also has displayed his running ability and how difficult he is to sack with his huge size. Jones is very physically gifted, but he's raw and needs to gain experience.

8/8/15: Jones put on a display in 2014 after entering the starting lineup behind Braxton Miller and J.T. Barrett. Jones has great size and a cannon for an arm. In his three starts, he completed 61 percent of his passes for 860 yards with seven touchdowns and two interceptions. Jones has a lot of upside and it will be fun to watch him in 2015, assuming he wins the starting job over J.T. Barrett.

Jones needs to improve his ability to throw while under heat. He also needs to get faster working through his progressions, moving his eyes and getting rid of the ball. Jones can hold onto the ball too long when plays start to break down on him. When Jones has a clean pocket, he displays the ability to make any throw the NFL asks for. While Jones is a pocket passer, he will take yards on the ground when available and has some athleticism as a runner. Jones can be tough to bring down for defenders in or out of the pocket.

Sources from multiple teams said that they view Jones as having a first-round skill set and if performed for an entire season the way he played in his three starts, he would be a first-rounder. Teams have questions about Jones' football I.Q. and off-the-field maturity, so his pre-draft interviews will be important to address those questions.
 

 

 

Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.87.
Projected Round (2016): 2-4.
1/9/16: In 2015, Hackenberg completed 54 percent of his passes for 2,525 yards and 16 touchdowns with six interceptions. He had terrible games against Rutgers and Temple, but good outings against Buffalo, San Diego State, Indiana and Illinois.

Clearly, Hackenberg needs to improve his accuracy and decision-making, but the junior was playing in a bad situation with a weak offensive line and receivers. He also is a pro-style quarterback who was forced to play in a college spread offense that didn't fit him well at all. Over the last two seasons, Hackenberg routinely made some beautiful throws that are dropped by his receivers, but also missed too often on routine completions.

In speaking with sources, some teams grade Hackenberg on the third day of the 2016 NFL Draft as a fourth-rounder, but others have graded him in Round 3. Even the teams that graded him after the third round, expect him to be selected in the second or third round. One general manager said Hackenberg has just average accuracy and is a statue in the pocket. There also is concern about how teammates respond to him.

8/8/15: Hackenberg completed 56 percent of his passes in 2014 for 2,677 yards with 12 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. He played better than the numbers indicate as his supporting cast was a huge liability, including an awful offensive line. Hackenberg closed out the 2014 season with a huge comeback overtime win over Boston College, completing 34-of-50 for 371 yards and four touchdowns.

In terms of a skill set, Hackenberg has what the NFL is looking for with a size, pocket presence, field-vision potential and a strong arm that can push the ball downfield. James Franklin's offense didn't help Hackenberg develop much as a NFL pocket-passer prospect last season as so many of the play calls were instant throws because of a weak offensive line that couldn't maintain its blocks. Hackenberg needs to improve his ball placement and decision-making in some areas, but his supporting cast really hurt him last year. At times, Hackenberg makes some brilliant throws downfield after working off his first read, and if he does that regularly as a junior, he could be a high first-rounder.

Hackenberg was the star recruit for Bill O'Brien and proved the hype legit during an impressive freshman season that saw him named the Big Ten Freshman of the Year. Hackenberg completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,955 yards with 20 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 2013. He also ran for four touchdowns. Sources in the NFL feel that Hackenberg could end up being an elite quarterback prospect.

 

 

 

Jacoby Brissett, QB, N.C. State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2016): 2-4.
1/9/16: In 2015, Brissett completed 60 percent of his passes for 2,662 yards with 20 touchdowns and six interceptions. Sources with teams say that Brissett is a sleeper quarterback who they're keeping an eye on. As we reported in the rumormill, some east coast scouts rate Brissett ahead of other more highly touted prospects like Penn State's Christian Hackenberg. Other sources aren't fans of Brissett.

8/8/15: 2014 saw Brissett complete 60 percent of his passes for 2,344 yards with 22 touchdowns and five interceptions. He showed potential as a pocket passer. Brissett was on fire against a lot of weak competition even before he lit up Florida State (32-of-48 for 359 yards with three touchdowns). Brissett sat out the 2013 season per NCAA rules after transferring from Florida. He spent 2012 as Jeff Driskel's backup. Brissett played a little as a freshman backup during the 1-year tenure of Charlie Weis as Florida's offensive coordinator.

 

 

 

Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford
Height: 6-4. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2016): 4-6.
1/9/16: As a senior, Hogan completed 68 percent of his passes for 2,867 yards with 27 touchdowns and eight interceptions. In his good games, he looked like an early-rounder; in his bad games, he looked like an undrafted free agent. Hogan has a good enough skill set but looks more like a backup-caliber signal-caller in the NFL.

8/8/15: In 2014, Hogan completed 66 percent of his passes for 2,792 yards with 19 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He had five rushing touchdowns, too. Hogan was still streaky as a passer, looking inept at times and throwing excellent passes on other attempts. He needs to become more consistent in order to rise as a senior.

Hogan wasn't as good as expected in 2013 as Stanford's passing attack was underwhelming. For the year, he completed 61 percent of his passes for 2,630 yards with 20 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Hogan averaged 4.5 yards per carry for 314 yards on the ground with two touchdowns, too.

 

 

 

Cody Kessler, QB, USC
Height: 6-1. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2016): 4-6.
1/9/16: In 2015, Kessler threw for 3,536 yards with 29 touchdowns and seven interceptions while completing 67 percent of his passes. If he had a better physical skill set, he would be rated higher, but he is undersized. Kessler's lack of arm strength looks like a real weakness for the NFL.

8/8/15: Kessler completed 71 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,505 yards with 36 touchdowns and four interceptions. He was an effective game-manager for the Trojans. Kessler is undersized and could be lacking in his physical skill set to be a starter for the NFL. He needs to prove that wrong as a senior. Kessler was considering entering the 2015 NFL Draft, but decided to return to USC.

It took some time, but Kessler eventually won the starting quarterback spot for USC to replace Matt Barkley, and Kessler has improved as he gained experience. Kessler completed 65 percent of his passes in 2013 for 2,968 yards with 20 touchdowns and seven interceptions.

 

 

 

Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2016): 4-6.
1/9/16: Prescott completed 66 percent of his passes in 2015 for 3,793 yards with 29 touchdowns and five interceptions. On the ground, he totaled 588 yards with 10 scores. Sources say they view Prescott as Tim Tebow 2.0, though Prescott has better throwing mechanics. They think Prescott has to become a better pocket passer and aren't high on him as a pro prospect.

8/8/15: Prescott completed 61 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,449 yards with 27 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He averaged 4.7 yards per carry for 986 yards with 14 scores on the ground. Prescott underwhelmed against Alabama, but that was really the only game of the season in which he struggled.

Prescott's play has been somewhat reminiscent of Tim Tebow at Florida because Prescott is playing in the same offense for Tebow's former offensive coordinator, Dan Mullen, the Mississippi State head coach. Like Tebow, Prescott needs to improve his pocket passing and accuracy for the NFL.

In 2013, Prescott completed 58 percent of his passes for 940 yards with 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions.

 

 

 

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On 1/21/2016 at 8:04 PM, ADwyer87 said:

When I said history I meant THIS Browns team, as in the 2015-16 Browns, not the entire organization. Beside Joe Thomas, who is incredible, Josh Gordon, who has played 5 games in the past 2 seasons, and the new head coach, which there's plenty of great coordinators who have turned into terrible coaches, I don't see much. It's not like I'm the only one as well, plenty of analysts have said this as well.

 

As far as too QBs go, looking at a few preseason top college qb lists, I see Goff top 10 in most, so that's my bad, but I barely see Wentz, so maybe he just failed to make a big splash? Or maybe he had one good season, which is an incredible risk to go top 4 with, let alone first round.

 

 

their OL graded out as the 5th best in football. They still have Joe Haden, Gipson and Whitner in the secondary who have been pro-bowl players, they still have Carlos Dansby and Paul Kruger for LBers, they aren't in bad shape at all, they just need a QB, #WR, RB and a pass rushing DE and they will be playoff contenders. 

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On 1/20/2016 at 9:07 PM, boom said:

What about Lynch(Memphis)? Pretty raw but could be OK.

 

 

i think alot of people are concerned about his playbook in college and maybe lack of arm strength. 

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Also theres a ton of smoke the Browns are in love with Wentz, so the Cal fan is probably going to get his wish. I think a deciding factor is going to be that Goff might not be able to play well in the bad weather, throwing into the wind on lake erie is alot different than throwing in California. 

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18 minutes ago, Pavel_Ovechkin said:

Also theres a ton of smoke the Browns are in love with Wentz, so the Cal fan is probably going to get his wish. I think a deciding factor is going to be that Goff might not be able to play well in the bad weather, throwing into the wind on lake erie is alot different than throwing in California. 

I would stoked if he didn't, than again I can't really say I'd be thrilled with him ended up in certain places (SF, Chi etc..) so Cleveland wouldn't be bad.

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Probably the second worst SB I've seen

Edited February 8, 2016 by ADwyer87
Forgot about Denver-Seattle for a sec haha