Advantage 2,891 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 To be fair, it isn't always productive to play with great players (see Klose in his first year). You have the puck less and that can often limit scoring. I still went with you though. I'd say Klose (was a sub-300 TPE player at the time), Jeltz, Von Karma, Roy and Ruutu are similar to many you listed in your non-notable list btw. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Ohh Kendrick your too good at making friends. You know it kid Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I'd take playing with XXX, Klose, Tom Slaughter, and Karnage over any of those guys. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I'd take playing with XXX, Klose, Tom Slaughter, and Karnage over any of those guys. The majority of those guys were around Klose's TPE amount when they played together. Again, he barely ever played with Slaughter. Only when I tried switching things around. On PP's I usually put Klose on #1 with Slaughter since 3 Moons was center. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 3 Moons is a 1st line C on like 7/10 teams. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Boychuk's linemates: Simon Tremblay, Marcus Figgarowta-Nahimal, Henrik Larsson, Lucas Smith, Giygas, Mikhail Mikhailovich, Jamie Shetler, Lukas Nykvist, Andrew Erikson, Johan Hallstrom, Jakob Linholm, Dexter Morgan, Milos Denis, Ryan Cattrall, Rami Jakobssen, QUE RW1, Niklas Kurri, Thomas Landry Notables: Thomas Landry, Giygas, Milos Denis, and adding Thomassen and Wolf. Basically every one of those guys was a scrub that Boychuk had to play with. 3 Moon's linemates: XXX, Klose, Tom Slaughter, Karnage, Jeltz, Teuvo Ruutu, von Karma, Joseph Roy III I'd say all of them are notables. Stepped straight into the VHL to play with XXX and Klose as well. It's all about the stats though. Using who your teammates were as an argument proves nothing, because it's been shown that players will put up better numbers with a bad team and better numbers with a good team. You clearly benefited from Calgary's shit roster to somehow put up a 100-point rookie season. Having better teammates around you probably would've brought your points down quite a bit. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball 453 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Thats a false statement. Its all luck and who you play with. Ive been on pretty shitty teams in my days and have benefited from having better teammates around me rather than not having any teammates at all Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Thats a false statement. Its all luck and who you play with. Ive been on pretty shitty teams in my days and have benefited from having better teammates around me rather than not having any teammates at all That's a false statement. It's all luck. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I've outscored Boychuk every year I've been in the league. I have cups at the VHL and VHLM level. The fact you think you're player is better than mine, when you are 3 seasons older and put up worse stats every season, is borderline stupid. Know your role. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball 453 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 That's a false statement. It's all luck. Touchè Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Also I've never played on a line with Slaughter or XXX, ever. For a vast majority of my time in NYA I didn't play with Klose either, he was played with Slaughter more than he was played with me. So yeah, you're trash compared to me, there is simply no debating. 3 Moons >>>> Shitchuck and it's NOT close. DollarAndADream 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Also I've never played on a line with Slaughter or XXX, ever. You actually did play on a line with XXX is Season 41. The other linemate on that line was Klose. Then did the exact same thing in Season 42. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 mb mb mb I guess I played with XXX Klose was rotated though and wasn't a mainstay on that line. Please do not say another word to me Kendrick because I can crush you in a single sentence, fuck boy. scoop, Corco and boubabi 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 There's a reason why you outscored Boychuk in your VHL years, and that's because of the personnel you've been surrounded by. You won cups because of that personnel as well. Put me on your cup winning teams and I win as well. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 There's a reason why you outscored Boychuk in your VHL years, and that's because of the personnel you've been surrounded by. You won cups because of that personnel as well. Put me on your cup winning teams and I win as well. You keep using his teammates as your argument for why he has better stats, but where is your evidence that better teammates will translate to better stats? As an argument to suggest that having lousy teammates can make a bad player look good, I first point you to the rookie season of one Travis Boychuk. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 You keep using his teammates as your argument for why he has better stats, but where is your evidence that better teammates will translate to better stats? As an argument to suggest that having lousy teammates can make a bad player look good, I first point you to the rookie season of one Travis Boychuk. I feel like Boychuk's rookie season can easily be explained by having no teammates. He was basically the only one who was going to score on that roster. If anyone was getting a goal, he was pretty much going to get an assist. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I feel like Boychuk's rookie season can easily be explained by having no teammates. He was basically the only one who was going to score on that roster. If anyone was getting a goal, he was pretty much going to get an assist. Congratulations, you're helping prove my point. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Congratulations, you're helping prove my point. I just think there's a line between playing with nobody, and playing with lesser players. Boychuk's teammates in his rookie season were nothing, compared to having "average" players other seasons. I think if he's handed a lacking roster, the system will feed points into him. If he has an average roster, then a player will get less points and it will be distributed more evenly throughout. If every player on the line are above average then they will all do well. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,896 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 3 scrubs thinking he is better than MANchuck Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 mb mb mb I guess I played with XXX Klose was rotated though and wasn't a mainstay on that line. Please do not say another word to me Kendrick because I can crush you in a single sentence, fuck boy. Just pointing out the sim structure. Crush some beers instead Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 3 Moons > Richardson Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 3 Moons > Richardson Lions > Roughriders Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 true story Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 true story But in the long run maybe not so much. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-241971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) You know it kid I mean look at how many people like you. How do you have so many friends? Edited July 13, 2015 by The Sheriff Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21879-vhlsc-player-poll-results/page/4/#findComment-242418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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