Phil 5,119 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Episode #1 Welcome to the first ever edition of The Phil Knight Show, where we discuss red-hot on-going topics around the VHL and shamelessly gear up for the sim by discussing these things we decide to discuss. It features a great soundtrack (my manly voice) and a great pig-headed opinion (anything out of David`s mouth) Listen. Relax. Enjoy. Music: Santa Monica - Everclear Tragedy + Time - Rise Against Run Time: 36 minutes THIS IS A DIVISION OF KNIGHTTIME STUDIOS eaglesfan036 and DollarAndADream 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 "The World Cup just ended, so that's a thing" Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 565 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Awesome listen as always! Even I was surprised at how quickly the deal for Hamilton got done. It looks like you're settling great into Cologne but there'll always be a Phil shaped hole in Helsinki Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 32 minutes ago, Daniel said: Awesome listen as always! Even I was surprised at how quickly the deal for Hamilton got done. It looks like you're settling great into Cologne but there'll always be a Phil shaped hole in Helsinki A hole to phil, as it were? Thanks for the listen!! Daniel 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 1 hour ago, ADwyer87 said: "The World Cup just ended, so that's a thing" Hey! Facts are good! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Phil said: A hole to phil, as it were? Thanks for the listen!! Would you say Helsinki is phil-ing your absence? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I can honestly say though, with this league and others, that giving almost the same amount of TPE to welfare as you get for doing a PT ad being active is one of many reasons I have considered not making another player after Podarok. So this welfare argument does have a point Phil 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: I can honestly say though, with this league and others, that giving almost the same amount of TPE to welfare as you get for doing a PT ad being active is one of many reasons I have considered not making another player after Podarok. So this welfare argument does have a point Ah but remember... those getting close to the PT-worthy TPE have already created successful players and poured a lot of hard work into the site! Like David and I said.. if enough needs to be immediately changed, it should be the rules of the welfare/pension plan that does not include the current player. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Ah but remember... those getting close to the PT-worthy TPE have already created successful players and poured a lot of hard work into the site! Like David and I said.. if enough needs to be immediately changed, it should be the rules of the welfare/pension plan that does not include the current player. If that's how the league goes then there's nothing I can do, I just know that at least for me there's very little incentive for me to keep posting in these forums and work to hit the 9 TPE cap. Welfare isn't the only reason for this, but it's definitely a part of it. I have work, school, and a social life, I'm giving up sleep to make the PT I'm working on now but most likely no one will comment about it and someone else is getting 2/3 of the TPE by just typing their player name Phil 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: If that's how the league goes then there's nothing I can do, I just know that at least for me there's very little incentive for me to keep posting in these forums and work to hit the 9 TPE cap. Welfare isn't the only reason for this, but it's definitely a part of it. I have work, school, and a social life, I'm giving up sleep to make the PT I'm working on now but most likely no one will comment about it and someone else is getting 2/3 of the TPE by just typing their player name i always comment Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, eaglesfan036 said: i always comment Not really, or at least not in a while.... Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: Not really, or at least not in a while.... idk wat ur talking about noob Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight 1,289 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 28 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: If that's how the league goes then there's nothing I can do, I just know that at least for me there's very little incentive for me to keep posting in these forums and work to hit the 9 TPE cap. Welfare isn't the only reason for this, but it's definitely a part of it. I have work, school, and a social life, I'm giving up sleep to make the PT I'm working on now but most likely no one will comment about it and someone else is getting 2/3 of the TPE by just typing their player name Just a bit short-sighted of an opinion. Everyone who is eligible to claim welfare has gone through the same pains as you. Very little incentive? This league is only intrinsically rewarding. The incentive for earning TPE comes from being able to create the best player you can make, in turn satisfying your goals and ambitions that you set for your player. Don't worry about what other people are doing. Focus on only what you can control. Tim and JardyB10 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, Knight said: Just a bit short-sighted of an opinion. Everyone who is eligible to claim welfare has gone through the same pains as you. Very little incentive? This league is only intrinsically rewarding. The incentive for earning TPE comes from being able to create the best player you can make, in turn satisfying your goals and ambitions that you set for your player. Don't worry about what other people are doing. Focus on only what you can control. Just forget I said anything, I'm done bringing things up with the BOG Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight 1,289 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: Just forget I said anything, I'm done bringing things up with the BOG Stand up for what you believe in. Don't be afraid to argue your point. We've made PT's easier for new members. You can now do the bare minimum and get an automatic 6. Beforehand you could throw hours into a PT and not even be sure of 6. Sometimes you would be graded a 5. We are trying to help first gens have an easier time and get up to speed a little more easily. Perhaps we aren't doing enough. I really don't think welfare is the issue, though. DollarAndADream 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, Knight said: Stand up for what you believe in. Don't be afraid to argue your point. We've made PT's easier for new members. You can now do the bare minimum and get an automatic 6. Beforehand you could throw hours into a PT and not even be sure of 6. Sometimes you would be graded a 5. We are trying to help first gens have an easier time and get up to speed a little more easily. Perhaps we aren't doing enough. I really don't think welfare is the issue, though. I've argued my point plenty of times and most of the time it's met with some sort of disparaging comment about me. The last suggestion I put up Victor just said I was stupid. He was probably just joking, but it gets annoying when basically everything you bring up is met with negativity and sometimes personal attacks from leadership. I'm a VHLM GM and when I started here I would hear a ton about how no one cared about the VHLM, which actually does upset me. I'm a VHL Mag writer and the last comment I had about my article was Higgins making fun of my writing skills. Once again, he's probably just joking, but it's just annoying that I put lots of work in and no one really gives a shit. The truth is that I have also had a lot of work to do and posting PTs and stuff has gotten harder and harder. So it is just annoying that I put in a lot of work but don't really get much out of it. On top of that, I just don't have a positive experience with this site anymore. Before I was excited about it, but now it just seems like a chore and I can't remember the ast positive exchange I had on here. Sorry, This is kindof disorganized, and has little to do with the topic at hand, and some of these things is just a rant about my personal experience I've had on my mind a while so not much anyone can do about that. it's just late and I don't feel the best atm. It's a combination of things that have made me not want to stay on the VHL, this is just one of them. I guess the reason I'm not a huge fan of the welfare is just that, like I said, I put a lot of work into this stuff, and sacrifice some real world things for the VHL and other sim leagues. So to see other people post in a thread and get 4 TPE is a little annoying for me personally. And I get that the current Welfare/Pension plan only gives that 4 TPE to people that have made successful players before, but A) I've seen a lot of players on here who I haven't seen post on the boards in my 2 1/2 seasons that are at 400 TPE, so I'm not sure how hard it is to get to that. I mean ive had 2 1/2 season and my guy is already at 313. B) it just seems weird for me. I mean I like doing PTs, they're a lot of work and are a chore to make but I do enjoy them. And my reward for doing all of this work is to be given an upgrade so I don't have to do that. Idk, it just seems odd to me. Anyway it seems like the majority of people(on the VHL at least) like the current pension plan so I guess it's for the best of the league DollarAndADream 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 @ADwyer87 go on chat so we can have a positive exchange Will 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Feedback: - That DT rant...what the hell? - All I really ever buy in the Player Store is Doubles/Triples Predictions, or PT Upgrade to 7. Just to avoid myself writing a VHL.com. I've bought the mag article before, but only really because I had leftover money. - Yeah, welfare guys are likely never going to switch over to full PT's because they earn less from Welfare. - Much of that BoG discussion I wasn't much a part in. I actually fully blame the LR's at the top....I keep forgetting to scroll to the bottom for BoG now because LR isn't there. ... - I'm like you, Phil. I don't give any shits about the welfare discussions. I earn my TPE either way. - There's definitely that contributing to the league argument. I mean, after I'm done with Parechkin....I could basically create my next guy and only ever do welfare...plus my Head PT job, VHL.com article, and maybe VHL Trivia. So I'd get 7-8 TPE a week for not doing a whole lot. - My articles are among the "trash" ones on the site. - I think it's a hard argument to argue for or against. I think there's always going to be people heavily in favour for both sides. - You fucked my predictions. I picked Helsinki as a finalist..I think. That's done. Knight 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 1 minute ago, eaglesfan036 said: @ADwyer87 go on chat so we can have a positive exchange After I do this PT I have to go to bed, or else I'll probably fall asleep at work Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, ADwyer87 said: After I do this PT I have to go to bed, or else I'll probably fall asleep at work well hurry up so i can comment on it :3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, eaglesfan036 said: well hurry up so i can comment on it :3 Ok Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: I've argued my point plenty of times and most of the time it's met with some sort of disparaging comment about me. The last suggestion I put up Victor just said I was stupid. He was probably just joking, but it gets annoying when basically everything you bring up is met with negativity and sometimes personal attacks from leadership. I'm a VHLM GM and when I started here I would hear a ton about how no one cared about the VHLM, which actually does upset me. I'm a VHL Mag writer and the last comment I had about my article was Higgins making fun of my writing skills. Once again, he's probably just joking, but it's just annoying that I put lots of work in and no one really gives a shit. The truth is that I have also had a lot of work to do and posting PTs and stuff has gotten harder and harder. So it is just annoying that I put in a lot of work but don't really get much out of it. On top of that, I just don't have a positive experience with this site anymore. Before I was excited about it, but now it just seems like a chore and I can't remember the ast positive exchange I had on here. Most of the time my articles don't get any comments. That's basically how it's always been for me. You have to stir up the league or be a higher up member to get any kind of response here a lot of the time. I fully understand your arguments. Don't leave. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,949 Posted May 23, 2016 Admin Share Posted May 23, 2016 ADwyer, of course I was joking. To be honest, from your thread title and how it started it seemed like a jokey suggestion which I clearly misinterpreted. http://www.vhlforum.com/index.php?/topic/30345-just-call-me-henry-motherfucking-clay/ I was kind of surprised by your response tbh but I suppose it makes sense in context if you think everyone has been piling up criticism. That's not the case of course, its just most members' mannerism here really. Everyone's work is probably underappreciated but it is appreciated. I think you'd be among the top ranked VHLM GMs if you asked anyone. I mean, your early VHLM articles in the mag probably got more praise than any of my articles ever. But you can't expect the same reaction every time - when people say great mag edition they aren't ignoring your contribution. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I may have just gotten a lot more praise than usual to start off I guess, and thought that was the norm instead of what it actually is Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight 1,289 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 14 hours ago, ADwyer87 said: I've argued my point plenty of times and most of the time it's met with some sort of disparaging comment about me. The last suggestion I put up Victor just said I was stupid. He was probably just joking, but it gets annoying when basically everything you bring up is met with negativity and sometimes personal attacks from leadership. I'm a VHLM GM and when I started here I would hear a ton about how no one cared about the VHLM, which actually does upset me. I'm a VHL Mag writer and the last comment I had about my article was Higgins making fun of my writing skills. Once again, he's probably just joking, but it's just annoying that I put lots of work in and no one really gives a shit. The truth is that I have also had a lot of work to do and posting PTs and stuff has gotten harder and harder. So it is just annoying that I put in a lot of work but don't really get much out of it. On top of that, I just don't have a positive experience with this site anymore. Before I was excited about it, but now it just seems like a chore and I can't remember the ast positive exchange I had on here. Sorry, This is kindof disorganized, and has little to do with the topic at hand, and some of these things is just a rant about my personal experience I've had on my mind a while so not much anyone can do about that. it's just late and I don't feel the best atm. It's a combination of things that have made me not want to stay on the VHL, this is just one of them. I guess the reason I'm not a huge fan of the welfare is just that, like I said, I put a lot of work into this stuff, and sacrifice some real world things for the VHL and other sim leagues. So to see other people post in a thread and get 4 TPE is a little annoying for me personally. And I get that the current Welfare/Pension plan only gives that 4 TPE to people that have made successful players before, but A) I've seen a lot of players on here who I haven't seen post on the boards in my 2 1/2 seasons that are at 400 TPE, so I'm not sure how hard it is to get to that. I mean ive had 2 1/2 season and my guy is already at 313. B) it just seems weird for me. I mean I like doing PTs, they're a lot of work and are a chore to make but I do enjoy them. And my reward for doing all of this work is to be given an upgrade so I don't have to do that. Idk, it just seems odd to me. Anyway it seems like the majority of people(on the VHL at least) like the current pension plan so I guess it's for the best of the league No need to apologize my man, it's important everyone's voice is heard. I am arguably at the forefront of the "No One Cares About the VHLM" movement. Even when I was league commissioner I would make that joke. However, the reality is that the VHLM is the first league a new recruit to our website will experience. It's imperative that their experience in the VHLM be a positive one so that they will continue their journey onto the VHL and hopefully stick around for good. Granted, everyone wants to be in the VHL because that's where cups are won - but there's no denying the importance of the VHLM. I still believe that first-gens have a real tough time in the VHL. Perhaps something more can be done to reward activity? Say, a TPE bonus every season for submitting x number of point tasks. @Draper @Higgins @Victor @sterling @JardyB10 JardyB10 and DollarAndADream 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30628-claimedthe-phil-knight-show-1-reviewed/#findComment-342565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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