Devise 4,475 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Sandro I think my issue with comparing this with head shots is unfair. The head shots take place on NHL ice, where players can expect to get hit. Are they always justified? No. Are they muggings? Of course. But once the horn blows and intermission hits...the game stops, the on ice stuff stops, and it becomes a real world situation. Had there of been no people trying to stop Torts who is to say he was just going to yell at Hartley? For all we know they would of gotten into an off the ice brawl. Which is assault. The NHL has to discipline that action as harshly as possible. When we discuss discipline for hockey antics while a lot that has happen can be deplorable it still happens in the context of a hockey game. Things that happen after the players exit the ice and go to the intermission have to be treated as a bigger deal, regardless if the action in and of itself is as severe. Because it is a line nobody should ever think about crossing. Never. I do agree that headshots though are much worse in the context of severity, but at the same time if off ice antics become more popular it is easy to argue that you could see more severe consequences from that than anything on the ice. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Sandro I think my issue with comparing this with head shots is unfair. The head shots take place on NHL ice, where players can expect to get hit. Are they always justified? No. Are they muggings? Of course. But once the horn blows and intermission hits...the game stops, the on ice stuff stops, and it becomes a real world situation. Had there of been no people trying to stop Torts who is to say he was just going to yell at Hartley? For all we know they would of gotten into an off the ice brawl. Which is assault. The NHL has to discipline that action as harshly as possible. When we discuss discipline for hockey antics while a lot that has happen can be deplorable it still happens in the context of a hockey game. Things that happen after the players exit the ice and go to the intermission have to be treated as a bigger deal, regardless if the action in and of itself is as severe. Because it is a line nobody should ever think about crossing. Never. I do agree that headshots though are much worse in the context of severity, but at the same time if off ice antics become more popular it is easy to argue that you could see more severe consequences from that than anything on the ice. Also not to mention that off ice antics would then become a problem for someone like me, instead of someone like Bill Daly or Gary Bettman. I like to think that in the grand scheme of things, ultimately the people I am around have more authority than those two. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Also not to mention that off ice antics would then become a problem for someone like me, instead of someone like Bill Daly or Gary Bettman. I like to think that in the grand scheme of things, ultimately the people I am around have more authority than those two. You also enter legal territory there in terms of lawsuits towards the NHL. Players, coaches, trainers, and fans should all be able to feel safe and protected from any form of physical contact once that horn blows. It is the NHL's job to ensure that remains. It is a line Torts can't cross. It is easy for us to justify with him because he had a right to be mad, but any number of things could go wrong once you let your tempers boil over and engage in those situations off the ice. I'd hope you guys have more authority as well. It's weird when actual proper assault charges and police get brought up in the context of pro sports considering the violent nature of a lot of sports. But I do agree with you, off ice antics if they persist in the NHL should be handled by police. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You also enter legal territory there in terms of lawsuits towards the NHL. Players, coaches, trainers, and fans should all be able to feel safe and protected from any form of physical contact once that horn blows. It is the NHL's job to ensure that remains. It is a line Torts can't cross. It is easy for us to justify with him because he had a right to be mad, but any number of things could go wrong once you let your tempers boil over and engage in those situations off the ice. I'd hope you guys have more authority as well. It's weird when actual proper assault charges and police get brought up in the context of pro sports considering the violent nature of a lot of sports. But I do agree with you, off ice antics if they persist in the NHL should be handled by police. It is weird, because no one I work with has had to deal with a professional sports athlete, organization or figure on anything that sheds them in a negative light. Community events and stuff are what you usually here. I should mention the Bertuzzi thing was obviously on the ice so no police were involved, I think only judges and obviously attorneys and all those "tie pushers" as we call them. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro 251 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hmm, Torts must be bored already. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441790 Any Thunder Bay boys here? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Not only did the Islanders win tonight, but they beat the Rangers in their own building. You know what that means!.................. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6nx2d5q9o Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherifflobo 137 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Good to see Lain pot his first career goal. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro 251 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Things are heating up on the bench! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreg 930 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Columbus..... Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro 251 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The amount of focus the Oilers put on Kassian now is straight up hilarious. The butthurt is strong with them. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,130 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ace 3,112 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The time for Flyers is never. Megster 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I don't get it. The time for Flyers is never. Kansas City Penguins sounded pretty good (sarcasm) Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,130 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The time for Flyers is never. Wrong, sir, wrong! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-32998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarch 3,157 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Doomsday 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomHero 55 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,130 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 HEXTALL! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megster 63 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I think I would hate the Penguins 14 times less if they had relocated to Kansas City Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 HEXTALL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAVNvoUp2Y Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Tavares>The best player on nearly every team. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megster 63 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 is the rule of thumb just to ignore seth when he talks now? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 is the rule of thumb just to ignore seth when he talks now? Now now, none of this stuff. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 92 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 is the rule of thumb just to ignore seth when he talks now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-pGwEWQFsA Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/349-2013-2014-nhl-discussion-thread/page/31/#findComment-33124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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