CowboyinAmerica 2,889 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 New York -- Outside of a few upset victories over Moscow, not much has gone right for the New York Americans this season. Originally expected to be a fringe playoff contender, the Americans currently sit last in North America, 6 points behind second-year team D.C., with only Davos keeping them from the basement of the entire VHL. Perhaps chief among those who are struggling is second year defenseman Lance Flowers. Coming off a season where he won two VHL awards, pretty much all facets of his play have declined this season. Notably, he's been an absolute zero offensively - 2 goals and 4 assists in 22 games couldn't be further from the 52 assists he had in his rookie season. Overall, coaches and Flowers alike seem to be at a loss for words as to what's happened so far this season. New York has even experimented with moving him to the second line for something different, but nothing seems to have worked. "I put in the same amount of work this offseason, so yeah, it's a bit frustrating to not see it translating," Flowers said. "There are always ups and downs, so I just have to keep working in hopes that things get better. I really do hope that's soon though." The law of averages would seem to indicate that things may change for Flowers soon, but it may be too little, too late for New York. Still, that's not the worst thing. New York does own its own first in the upcoming draft, and especially with top players like Forest and LeGrande signing extensions, there's little worry of a mass talent exodus this offseason. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePerfectNut 563 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Tanking again eh? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-690833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal74 1,810 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) @CowboyinAmerica You're frustrated? How do you think your fantasy owners feel?!? Edited November 26, 2019 by animal74 Jayrad28 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotAVHLM-GM 1,858 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I share your pain Cowboy Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso2264 774 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/25/2019 at 11:56 AM, Jtv123 said: Tanking again eh? i wouldnt be keeping everyone if i was tanking Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePerfectNut 563 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 cough Nethilla traded after a good season and an extension cough cough Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso2264 774 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, Jtv123 said: cough Nethilla traded after a good season and an extension cough cough how is trading 1 player tanking? i had younger players coming in and he was barely active Steve 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePerfectNut 563 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 For a guy that gets minimum 5 TPE every single week seems barely active I guess. Well at least he helps player saround him tremendously better, like what he is doing with the Titans right now unfortunately. And I believe that he would of been better then Hans Grub-something, Frans Eller and ur favorite Walter. They deserved a roster spot more? Aight bet! Inactive > Barely active Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePerfectNut 563 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 He has better odds to win the cup now so it's good that he got traded anyway. He produces super well Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor_7 741 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/25/2019 at 10:56 AM, Jtv123 said: Tanking again eh? There's a reason you aren't a GM Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePerfectNut 563 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Rayzor_7 said: There's a reason you aren't a GM I love ya, but since when did I ever asked to become one in the first place lol Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso2264 774 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Jtv123 said: For a guy that gets minimum 5 TPE every single week seems barely active I guess. Well at least he helps player saround him tremendously better, like what he is doing with the Titans right now unfortunately. And I believe that he would of been better then Hans Grub-something, Frans Eller and ur favorite Walter. They deserved a roster spot more? Aight bet! Inactive > Barely active you know im not playing them right? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor_7 741 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jtv123 said: I love ya, but since when did I ever asked to become one in the first place lol The point was that you don't understand the tactics of a GM so why shit on one Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace 1,532 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 What in the actual fuck. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/73262-frustration-for-flowers-early/#findComment-691559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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