Beketov

Honestly if you didn't like the PC versions it's probably not for you IMO. The game was designed for PC and doesn't play as well I console. You have to be really okay with grinding for a game like Diablo which is usually what turns people away.

Probably because there has never been anyone STHS loves more than you haha.

We're in Diablo 3 again since I didn't feel like moving the PS4 upstairs. Killing demons and answering questions from @Kendrick and @Beaviss. As I mention in the video I'll be needing to record quite a bit next week so if you have any questions at all please get them in.

You know it, gotta get those points while I can. I'm on pace for 180 points right now; think I can manage haha

In one way or another it’ll end up being Dragon Ex Machina. Either Daenerys takes King’s Landing with her’s or the White Walkers murder them all with theirs. One way or another I think the ending is likely to end up too rushed to be heavily climactic. Mind you all 7 episodes are slated to be near feature length so that works out to somewhere around 10.5 hours which is nearly the Length of the original LOTR trilogy. I guess that does offer time for a lot to happen but still. Like you said the build up will always be better than the payoff unfortunately. Especially in a show like this. One side or the other HAS to win, that’s just what needs to happen. So that means either everyone gets wiped out by the Walkers, Daenerys kicks major ass, or Cercei fucks them all over and stays in power. As far as I’m concerned there are no other options, at least as things stand right now. What I will say, it’s gonna be a damn long wait. I too binged the entire 7 seasons during the run of just season 7 so I’m not used to having to wait for more GoT. This is going to be a torturous wait.

It's what I do. Let's see if I can make it last this time haha

Bring back to Caribbean Pirates IMO.

To be fair isn't that what @Kendrick has done with his last few players regardless of team? Wanting to move around doesn't prove he hates the team. Just proves he was being honest.

Alternatively the stigma did in fact die with Vasteras because people thought the location and team was dumb? You're admitting the stigma surrounding Vasteras is gone so why should we move the team back there? To create it again? I'm not necessarily saying I understand why it disappeared but I'm saying it did, that's what matters. Tons of people have gone to stockholm in free agency and such that wouldn't have gone to Vasteras. Ultimately that's what matters isn't it? Personally I would rather not move a team back just to get everyone shitting on them again and then go through through the whole relocation process for a 4th time. Some people even within the BOG heavily disagree with me. Trust me, the colour of my name isn't swaying anyone's opinion in there.

The blue team doesn't fully make this decision, that's why I brought it up in the BOG as I said I would do. @Kendrick, @Phil, @ADV, or anyone else can confirm that. Discussion is happening regardless of my opinion on the matter. As for your comments, personally I don't think there is any stigma with Stockholm. They were one of my two top destinations with Holik in FA actually. It's why I'm so confused that people feel the team needs to move. I think they have a good name and a good logo in a good city so why change it?

I wouldn't call it a small cabal of people. I would call it the majority of the league. Go back and look at the announcement for Stockholm. I looked this morning. The vast majority of people favoured the move because Vasteras had become a joke. Its great to say Bushito would have such enthusiasm and support for Vasteras but so did all their other GM's. If / when he leaves the team would just be left in a lurch as they always have been which will result in a new GM coming in and thinking that relocation will revitalize things and we'll just have to move them all over again. The precedent for this action is definitely there because it's what always happens with this franchise. If people want to prove how great a franchise Vasteras is why not go help Bushito in Stockholm? It's just a team name. The franchise is still the same, just as NY is ultimately still Hamilton and Davis is still Amstel. The team simply relocated. If you loved Vasteras there's no reason not to try and win with Stockholm. It will still be deemed the Franchise's third cup, not their first. IMO it's petty to think that Stockholm doesn't deserve support but Vasteras does.

Or we don't want it back because it's already been removed from the league twice. What's the old adage? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Vasteras had its chances. I fail to see how giving it a third chance is going to do anything.

I brought your proposal to the BOG. If there is enough support for it in there the blue team will decide. Whether or not we like the idea isn't the final nail. If enough of the BOG supports the move the we can put our opinions aside. You were never just going to be allowed to do it all yourself, that wasn't going to fly and you should have known it. You can't just change the team without approval because you want to. As I said in the BOG earlier I think if we do allow the team to move we should do it with a few restrictions. First, this is THE LAST time Vasteras will ever have a team. If they move again they do so knowing the team doesn't come back. Second, a full rebrand (logo at least, potentially team name as well) is required. I don't know if that will be the case or if it will even go anywhere but that's my opinion on the matter. I feel like Vasteras has had plenty of chances and as a GM you should take pride in a team without feeling the need to change it. Team pride starts at the top. If you believe in your team others will as well. I don't believe you have ever tried to do that with Stockholm though and moving the team won't change its roster any. If you truly believe the team has a problem now that problem will persist in Vasteras as well. It won't simply disappear because you move.

Any time a piece is a manip instead of a full design with a render I find that to be healthful, even when Photoshop is involved.

Thank You. This thread seemed to become a giant shit storm of people arguing for or against the actual city / logo when really my personal vote on the matter has nothing to do with either. If any team in the league had moved away and then back and then away again I would be just as opposed to them returning. Vasteras had their chance and then they had their second chance. In both cases they were moved. If people don't like Stockholm and want to move the team somewhere I see more merit behind that choice. Not necessarily saying I would vote in favour of it but I see more merit to it. Moving backwards to Vasteras yet again doesn't make any sense though. They had 35 seasons in the league and proved to be nothing but a meme. I'm not interested in creating teams just for the sake of memes. This is coming from someone who has been in the league through both iterations of the team and has good memories on the team. It's time to let Vasteras die. I do have a proposition I brought up in the BOG this morning that could be fun involving the team but it doesn't involve bringing them back, that's for sure.

I'm not saying it's real; I'm simply pointing out an example of how ridiculous this can sound. Regardless of if the league takes place on the internet or not there are reasons that the team was moved not once but twice. You want to move it back now and then whomever takes over after you will want to move the team away and it will just go on and on and on. It's a running joke and makes no sense. The team has been moved twice, let it die. If you want to move or rebrand or what-have you then I'll consider it but as it stands I will be hard pressed to find an argument for moving back to Vasteras that makes sense. The team was there for 35 seasons and while I agreed with moving it back after the short tenure in Madrid (because it was dumb to have a team in Spain) I see no reason to move the team from Stockholm back to Vasteras again. The argument for it simply isn't as strong as it was last time and "because I want to" isn't a valid reason.

Where I take issue with it isn't the specific city or the logo or the amount of cups. It's that the team has already been there and moved out twice. If any other team was trying to do that I would say the same thing. The city and logo could be perfect and I would still say that it makes no sense to move a team back to somewhere it has already been twice. Moving back the first time was one thing but giving Vasteras a third chance? Really? I have good memories with Vasteras, I'm not saying this out of spite. My first personal success with Beketov came on Vasteras, but when you look at it from the leagu's perspective it just seems silly. Take for example Winnipeg in the NHL. They moved the team out to Arizona and then back to Winnipeg from Atlanta. Already this is better because it isn't the same team moving. Now imagine they sent them somewhere else again and then ONCE AGAIN came back as the Jets. How ridiculous does that sound because it's exactly what's being proposed here. I'm not saying no move should ever be considered. I'm saying I do t see a reason to keep moving a team back and forth from the same city. It's a tedious (and at this point ridiculous) process just so the league can have a universal punching bag which is all Vasteras has ever been.

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Something like that. I think the reason the move back to Vaster was allowed at all was because of how awful the choice of city / name / logo was. The Vikings have a good logo, name, and city though. There is very little reason to move them back.

That is one goal filled shootout haha. Good win boys.

Any franchise that moves I deemed failed. A franchise that's succeeding doesn't move.

According to @Devise you were told in the Discord specifically that the team is not moving back. You are the GM but that does not mean you get to simply decide when the team is moving. The procedure has always been, and will always be, that the blue team must be notified and put any team moves to a vote before they are allowed to go through. We will consider any formal proposal you put forth but you aren't simply changing a VHL team on your own accord because of an internal team poll. Vasteras has come and gone twice. Honestly after the first time the move back shouldn't have been allowed. It's ridiculous and makes no sense to continue moving the team anywhere; let alone back to a city that has failed twice.

When did you do this? As far as the blue team is aware there has been no formal inquiry into moving the team and when we discussed it because you were talking about it the consensus was heavily in favour of it not happening. If you want to make a formal proposition for it we'll consider it but I wouldn't get your hopes up.