TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Real v Bayern Bayern lost Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 24, 2014 Good. Down with the possession obsession. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Possession is how you win, they ain't used to that in Arsenal or any place like that, but then again those teams aren't in the Champions league any more. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwfulHomesick 148 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I've been slowly getting back into soccer. Everton has won my heart. Did I make a good choice? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 24, 2014 There's possession and there's obsession with it. Pep is obsessed. Barca are obsessed. I've been slowly getting back into soccer. Everton has won my heart. Did I make a good choice? Decent but I wouldn't expect any trophies. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 And guess what, Pep has been pretty successful so I'd say it works. If you've ever watched Bundesliga, Bayern ruins teams with it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 24, 2014 Not denying it. My personal opinion is down with it. Nothing against Bayern btw, I was totally on their side with Heynckes. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Not denying it. My personal opinion is down with it. Nothing against Bayern btw, I was totally on their side with Heynckes. See the argument with possession is a strange one. The game is built around it, if you watch teams who don't play it, they are all over the place. Bayern has been exciting to watch with it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yeah there is definitely no way possession isn't the surest way to win (or not lose). But it slows things down. Fast-paces counter-attacks are my jam and some mix of that and possession based would be utopia. I mean, you see it sometimes and it's just awesome to watch. Tiki-taka, on the other hand, can be tedious. Lots of sideways passing I find. Alas, I know I'm in the minority. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 25, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 25, 2014 Tito Vilanova, Barcelona's manager for some of last season (not all because of his cancer) has died aged 45. RIP. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Far, far too young! RIP Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-66626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 29, 2014 Lol tiki taka. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 You laugh now, but I seem to remember your team not making it? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 29, 2014 Chelsea? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Thought you were a flip flopper. A Madrid final is coming. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 29, 2014 What? Ask Jason, I've always been a Chelsea fan. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Well you can't really look past the possession, attempts and corners in this game though. Bayern despite the score, has had the run of play just hasn't scored. Out set pieces are horrible because our CB's have no clue what they are doing. However anyone that says possession means nothing, is kidding themselves. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 29, 2014 Possession doesn't mean nothing, but penetrating passes, like come on. Any Real attack was more threatening than anything Bayern created. You can't argue that Heynckes' team played worse than Pep's. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Possession doesn't mean nothing, but penetrating passes, like come on. Any Real attack was more threatening than anything Bayern created. You can't argue that Heynckes' team played worse than Pep's. Two different styles, two different lineups. It's rather hard to compare the two realistically. Have you ever played the game? Possession is something teams dream of having. Real's attack was just transition, there was no real build up at all. If anyone argues that Bayern's style is unsuccessful, we do have several trophies to show to you. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo 792 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 And Bayern has the former president in jail. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 29, 2014 Hardly different lineups. Thiago joined but he's injured anyway. And I haven't seen much of Gotze (which annoys me, though less so than Lewandowski signing on a free). Different styles, yes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Give me transition play over possession any day. As a viewer, in any case. That said, I'm sure Bayern will be back next season. I wish I could see their Bundesliga dominance, but unlike Spain and Italy, German matches coincide with the Premier League's so I never get the chance. So, from the admittedly small sample size I have, the only Bayern match I enjoyed Bayern's plan in was the first Man City game. That was possession not being sterile and boring. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Hardly different lineups. Thiago joined but he's injured anyway. And I haven't seen much of Gotze (which annoys me, though less so than Lewandowski signing on a free). Different styles, yes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Give me transition play over possession any day. As a viewer, in any case. That said, I'm sure Bayern will be back next season. I wish I could see their Bundesliga dominance, but unlike Spain and Italy, German matches coincide with the Premier League's so I never get the chance. So, from the admittedly small sample size I have, the only Bayern match I enjoyed Bayern's plan in was the first Man City game. That was possession not being sterile and boring. Their style is hardly boring, the adapt to their opponent and sometimes that comes back to bite them like today. Critics are really on Pep right now cause he doesn't have a Plan B or Plan C when facing someone. However their complete dominance in Germany has been just short of amazing. Keep in mind Champions League is nice but for German squads the real huge thing is dominating in the Bundesliga. Transition play over possession may be fun to watch, but weren't talking about watching, we were talking playing. I still play and transition has come back to bit teams we face as they give up that big goal and unravel. The lineups are fairly different. The argument over "If it ain't broke don't fix it" doesn't work here. Jepp retired, we can't really have Pep come in and run the same style as thats not what he has coached players to do, so he'd be spoken below players who have been their before. Pep's systems do work, and in that both the players and fans back him. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 29, 2014 We're going to have to agree to disagree. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Of course, but if you feel a manager change means the team plays the same style, you aren't thinking 2014. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted April 29, 2014 Author Admin Share Posted April 29, 2014 No, there was no way Pep was going to play Jupp's style. I think Pep wasn't the right choice for Bayern. The two are (well, were) just too different. Of course, I don't know who else, if anyone, was available and/or under consideration. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/1969-general-football-discussion/page/7/#findComment-67739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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