scoop 3,432 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) Don't just vote; discuss. The discussion is more important than the vote tallies. This season, the VHFL allowed weekly roster changes. Due to the late start to getting things underway and the assumption that this change would be met with positivity, there wasn't time enough to properly gather opinions and decide how to go about running the VHFL. After a season of running it this way I'm not sure the change is one that needed to be made. While I don't mind the extra work, if people don't care about it then we will just revert back to how it was in the past; that is, everyone makes their roster before the season starts, and that's what they're stuck with for the season. Personally, I still much prefer this way and I think it makes a lot more sense, but I'm going to leave it up to everyone to make a decision. I don't want to do a variation of allowing people to change rosters where it's limited, or changes can't be made after Week X. Limiting the changes in terms of a "swap one player per week" is bad because it doesn't allow you to change the makeup of your team where maybe you had an expensive goalie but you wanted to change that to a cheap goalie and upgrade elsewhere. And making it so you can only make a change in let's say two different weeks adds to the work I have to do in keeping track of who has made changes and I just don't feel like doing that even though it would be a miniscule amount of work. These are the options. Vote. Discuss. Edited August 9, 2015 by Streetlight Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotAVHLM-GM 1,858 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I think the swapping is nice, despite not having done it. Just didnt have the time for it, but it could be rewarding those that put extra effort in it. Did the people at the top change rosters around? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 I think the swapping is nice, despite not having done it. Just didnt have the time for it, but it could be rewarding those that put extra effort in it. Did the people at the top change rosters around? Draper didn't change at all. I changed mine every week. I'll take a look back to see who else changed their rosters. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 So here's the people who utilized the option to adjust their roster and how many times they did Streetlight x4 Smarch x2 Ahma x2 Kel x2 Jamie Trifecta Molholt Victor Tylar boom gorlab Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 For me personally, I will point out that I was 12th after the first week. I've been in the top four every week after and it's looking like I'll win a second consecutive week. There is definitely benefit to be had for those who put in the effort as I have. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Smarch you slippery little bugger, u better have brought J3M into your team at some point. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyinAmerica 2,890 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I don't have a problem if you're willing to put in the work, why not? But I highly doubt it's sustainable if you personally are tired of the job/go inactive for a spell. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarch 3,157 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I mean I would have been in dead last without changes so I like them obviously Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 I don't have a problem if you're willing to put in the work, why not? But I highly doubt it's sustainable if you personally are tired of the job/go inactive for a spell. Why not? I don't know. That's what I'd like people like NUCK, boom, and Jamie to comment on. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I think it takes more skill to pick a good team from the beginning and stick with it rather than just pick players every week after seeing who is on a hot streak. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,943 Posted August 8, 2015 Admin Share Posted August 8, 2015 My one change helped a lot, I was skeptical at first but I like. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) I think it takes more skill to pick a good team from the beginning and stick with it rather than just pick players every week after seeing who is on a hot streak. I actually accumulated the data for how a team would have done if they simply picked the six best players from the previous week. I even gave them the best possible first week roster. They got rekt. Okay, so not "rekt" but they definitely weren't winning. I don't remember where I had the data or maybe I didn't save it, but it was not optimal to simply pick who was doing well. Yes, with regards to Pablo Escabar, Draper knowing that he would be the one to get a fuckton of shots blocked took a whole lot of skill I suppose, allowing him to crush week one and have it carry him to victory. Okay, so I lied. They actually would've been winning by a couple points. But that was with the optimal Week 1 roster, but if we just give them the average score instead, they would be in 8th place entering Week 5. But yes, seeing who is playing well and considering them for your roster is going to be beneficial. That's kind of the point of fantasy leagues. Edited August 9, 2015 by Streetlight Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Just so y'all know, right now this is in favor of keeping it with weekly changes. Discussion is more valuable than votes, and so far the word seems to be that change is good. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 I think it takes more skill to pick a good team from the beginning and stick with it rather than just pick players every week after seeing who is on a hot streak. Also, if it's so easy, then explain this. gorlab, Victor and Da Trifecta 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,943 Posted August 9, 2015 Admin Share Posted August 9, 2015 A couple thoughts I had: 1. Limit to one player swap per week? Actually I don't like that after writing it. More importantly: 2. Set player salaries not off real contracts but off last season's results. SO like 90th percentile is 5mil, or something, etc. Doesn't rely on people handing out bonuses and means you can predict who will improve and get them for cheap in the season before they do. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 lets ripoff shl like we always do amirite ? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-254804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 More importantly: 2. Set player salaries not off real contracts but off last season's results. SO like 90th percentile is 5mil, or something, etc. Doesn't rely on people handing out bonuses and means you can predict who will improve and get them for cheap in the season before they do. I suppose that is an option. How would you propose rookies be dealt with? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-255616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,943 Posted August 11, 2015 Admin Share Posted August 11, 2015 Probably minimum salary for all or slightly higher for any high picks or VHLM award winners. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-255635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I never changed my team - as I like the concept of sticking to your guns and seeing how it turns out - just like we do with yearly predictions, however, those that want to put in the effort every week of changing their team - go for it. However I don't think that after the trade deadline, people should be able to change them. But that's just my opinion and I'll reply to myself and save streetlight the trouble: Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-255682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 To be completely honest, If it were entirely up to me, I'd actually put more emphasis on rewarding weekly leaders throughout the season and decrease the reward for the final standings. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-255752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted August 11, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) I did not know you could swap rosters. But then again i haven't paid much attention to it since I don't like pools in general. Edited August 11, 2015 by tfong Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-255761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 I did not know you could swap rosters. But then again i haven't paid much attention to it since I don't like pools in general. See, I'd almost rather make it more like a weekly task with a smaller bonus for the season's top performers. I feel like that would make it more rewarding for the people put in the effort to get more involved, and might also serve as a reminder to people that you can adjust your roster. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22865-future-of-the-vhfl/#findComment-255765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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