eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Wingate Trade Revisited In the middle of Season 46, the Calgary Wranglers and Riga Reign made a shocking trade that resulted in the entire league (and trade thread) saying "wat." Teams almost never trade their franchise goalies mid-season, and both goalies had strong roots to their teams. However, rumors started to leak soon after the trade that Wingate was not going to re-sign with the Wranglers in free agency unless they had a strong cup contender ready to go. In order to avoid another Stockholm situation where they lose their goaltender for nothing, Calgary decided to trade Wingate while they could still get a good return for him. In return for Wingate, Calgary received his replacement in Bernie Gow, Riga's S48 1st, and depth forward Griffon Simmons. Ordinarily, trades can't be judged until seasons down the line as it takes a while for draft picks to develop into an actual player you can look at. However, because Calgary traded that exact same pick in the offseason for Francis York Morgan and Quebec's S49 2nd, it is easier to see how the trade has turned out as it mostly involves players who have already hit their prime. In total, Calgary's haul for Wingate includes Bernie Gow, Francis York Morgan, Griffon Simons, and Quebec's S49 2nd. Bernie Gow is at the very least a starting-calibre goalie, and he has potential to become better as he continues to earn tpe. Calgary must be excited to see Bernie's playoff performance last season though, as he actually performed much better in the playoffs than the regular season, and really helped Calgary get past New York in just 5 games. Additionaly, Bernie is my brother so I have no doubts about Bernie leaving, which is important because goalie is a position you don't want to mess with. Francis York Morgan gives us one of the top defensemen in the league, and he is also still young and has quite a few seasons left. Lastly, Simons was just a depth player for a year, and the S49 2nd may turn into something good depending on if Quebec still tanks next season and if the S49 draft is any good. Looking at the trade from Riga's perspective, they did manage to acquire a potential hall of fame goalie who has made a habit of dominating, especially come playoff time. Unfortunately for Riga, the trade didn't quite work out as hoped as Wingate was actually out-dueled by Sinclair in the Davos-Riga series. It's not as if Wingate played badly in the series, he actually only gave up like two goals a game, it's just that Sinclair played out of his mind and only gave up something like a goal a game. Riga will once again have Wingate's services this season, and hope he can help carry them to a cup victory. Who Won? In my opinion, I think this trade will either result in a Calgary win or a draw. Looking at Riga's roster, they are composed of almost all S40 or S41 players, and you would think they have to enter a rebuild after this season. Wingate has already made himself clear that he won't do a sign and trade, meaning Riga likely won't get a return for Wingate should they rebuild. If Riga fails to win the cup this season, I think the trade is in Calgary's favor as they get a goalie and a top defensemen that will last them many seasons to come, while Riga would have paid for only two seasons of Wingate that resulted in zero cups. Should Wingate help carry Riga to a cup with his hall of fame play he is known for, then I think the trade will be an even one as Calgary gets stability for the present and the future while Riga gets the ultimate prize in the cup. Edited January 12, 2016 by Phil Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Pretty sure Riga wins automatically because they didn't get Jim. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-301928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted January 11, 2016 Senior Admin Share Posted January 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, Kendrick said: Pretty sure Riga wins automatically because they didn't get Jim. shit just got REAL Kendrick 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-301937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyinAmerica 2,889 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I actually totally disagree, and not just because my player got sent. I feel like the instant success may have desensitized Calgary a bit, but in actuality you only have so many legit chances at a cup - just ask Stockholm and Davos the past couple of years. Last year (and this year to an extent) are legit chances for Calgary. So you've got a goalie and defensman for the three seasons past this... to pair them with yourself, a barely active D_A, and a depreciating Zeptenberg? To go against a still strong New York and a Seattle and Toronto that has built for that time period? So what? Without some serious free agency intervention (which shouldn't be taken into account here) S46 was Calgary's best chance in a while. And despite the outlier play from Bernie in the New York series (that came crashing to earth in the Finals), you can't tell me that Calgary had a better chance for last season only with Gow and Simmons instead of Wingate. Riga meanwhile is doing exactly that - giving itself a better chance of winning when it reasonably has a chance of doing so. Didn't work out last season, and it may not work out this one as well. But I think the large number of non-Riga affiliated people picking us in predictions says something - Riga's one of the favorites. And when you have a chance and not the brightest of futures, you don't do anything to lessen that immediate chance. That's why I think the trade is even at worst, and Calgary only wins if it wins a title this season specifically. (Not to mention that I always said I was open to re-signing, and the way the offseason broke with Stockholm and Seattle trading for goalies, very high chance I would have re-signed for one year.) Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-301941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 14 minutes ago, CowboyinAmerica said: I actually totally disagree, and not just because my player got sent. I feel like the instant success may have desensitized Calgary a bit, but in actuality you only have so many legit chances at a cup - just ask Stockholm and Davos the past couple of years. Last year (and this year to an extent) are legit chances for Calgary. So you've got a goalie and defensman for the three seasons past this... to pair them with yourself, a barely active D_A, and a depreciating Zeptenberg? To go against a still strong New York and a Seattle and Toronto that has built for that time period? So what? Without some serious free agency intervention (which shouldn't be taken into account here) S46 was Calgary's best chance in a while. And despite the outlier play from Bernie in the New York series (that came crashing to earth in the Finals), you can't tell me that Calgary had a better chance for last season only with Gow and Simmons instead of Wingate. Riga meanwhile is doing exactly that - giving itself a better chance of winning when it reasonably has a chance of doing so. Didn't work out last season, and it may not work out this one as well. But I think the large number of non-Riga affiliated people picking us in predictions says something - Riga's one of the favorites. And when you have a chance and not the brightest of futures, you don't do anything to lessen that immediate chance. That's why I think the trade is even at worst, and Calgary only wins if it wins a title this season specifically. (Not to mention that I always said I was open to re-signing, and the way the offseason broke with Stockholm and Seattle trading for goalies, very high chance I would have re-signed for one year.) Not to mention if Wingate wasn't in Riga, they wouldn't have signed Poole and Richardson. So it was a compounding move for the Reign. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-301944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 biased again but whats new jk or am I Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-301961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,432 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 8 hours ago, Kendrick said: Pretty sure Riga wins automatically because they didn't get Jim. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-302025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Feedback: It's always great reading these Trade analyzers, doubly so if it's from a GM involved in the trade. It was an in-depth analysis of the blockbuster trade and you did a good job of explaining your thought process behind the deal. It was also presented sexily. Also interesting reading Wingate's response to the article. Too bad I was just hanging out in Helsinki with my buds, S45&46 CCs, to really take note of who won what trade etc. So this was especially enlightening for me to read. Nicely played Victor 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-302319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted January 13, 2016 Admin Share Posted January 13, 2016 On 1/11/2016 at 4:45 AM, eaglesfan036 said: In my opinion, I think this trade will either result in a Calgary win or a draw. Of course you do. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-302799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 CGY won imo. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-302801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas 138 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Calgary won because they got me through the whole ordeal. Now to win a cup, please. I would like one of those. eaglesfan036 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-302814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Claimed Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/27163-claimedwingate-trade-revisited-reviewed/#findComment-307996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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