jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Not so long ago Punkhippie posted comments that only a psychopath would post, end result is that he is banned for 20 hours, so I guess he could be back in VHL in about few hours from now since he got banned roughly 17 hours ago? But that is not the point, the point is that the stuff Punkhippie said is not anywhere near in being Ok. There is ´trolling´ and fighting with someone in the internet and then there is what Punkhippie did, you just don´t post or say something like that to anyone, anywhere , ever. Simple as that, but instead of throwing the book at punkhippie right away, he got 20 hours. Now, I got the reason for 20 hours from Jardy in the discord chat and I get it in a way, but then again I don´t, I´m not sure who is behind the bans and who decides the length of the bans, but 20 hours is not enough. What is even more worrying to me is some of the comments from other members in VHL. Instead of being vocal about it and pushing the league heads to put in a tougher penalty, the comments where roughly like this: It´s the internet, just trolling, worse things happen in the world etc - basically trying to ignore it or making punkhippies actions sound less than they actually are A real eye opener for me personally, I got to see what kind of values and/or mindsets some users have here in the VHL + the cold fact that punishment of 20 hours is nothing. If I have in the past mentioned the idea of just stopping creating players here in the future, this whole case is not helping in keeping me here. I know that does not matter too much to huge majority in here, but since the league apparently needs all the active players they can have by allowing punkhippie to come back, I thought I mention it again. To end this little blog entry, I would like to say hello to boubabi, VHL is softer than SHL and it´s not even close, this whole case shows it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehog337 3,483 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, jRuutu said: VHL is softer than SHL I disagree Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, hedgehog337 said: I disagree Why? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I'm confused how a shorter ban means the VHL is soft. Wouldn't a longer ban mean it's soft? Or do you mean soft on punishment? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehog337 3,483 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jRuutu said: Why? don't act like you're unfamiliar with my opinion about that league. Edited September 5, 2017 by hedgehog337 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just now, hedgehog337 said: don't act like you're unfamiliar with my opinion on that league. I have not followed the SHL vs VHL ´battle´ at all Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehog337 3,483 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 minute ago, jRuutu said: I have not followed the SHL vs VHL ´battle´ at all I haven't been there for 2y for a reason actually. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 minute ago, hedgehog337 said: I haven't been there for 2y for a reason actually. What happened 2 years ago? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehog337 3,483 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 minute ago, jRuutu said: What happened 2 years ago? Lmao I thought everybody knows about my ban there. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyinAmerica 2,889 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that people were somehow OK with that? Not agreeing with the length of the ban is one thing (if he hadn't already stepped down, I would have argued for a revocation of his GM position at the very least), but I'm pretty sure everyone's in agreement that was some bullshit. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, hedgehog337 said: Lmao I thought everybody knows about my ban there. I could have just forgotten as well Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CowboyinAmerica said: I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that people were somehow OK with that? Not agreeing with the length of the ban is one thing (if he hadn't already stepped down, I would have argued for a revocation of his GM position at the very least), but I'm pretty sure everyone's in agreement that was some bullshit. 20 hours and the fact that he is allowed to come back to this league shows everything. Still not nearly enough people know why or what Punkhippied did to earn the ban, that is the problem, if more people knew, perhaps the end result will be something else than 20 hours. And to answer your question, no - not everybody is in agreement that it was bullshit, ask from boubabi for example or go watch the comments on VHL discord chat. Edited September 5, 2017 by jRuutu Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Fire Hakstol said: I'm confused how a shorter ban means the VHL is soft. Wouldn't a longer ban mean it's soft? Or do you mean soft on punishment? Sorry failed to spot your message earlier......... Soft as a punishment and in result soft as a league. Sends a clear message that someone with mindset of Punkhippie is actually needed in this league and allowed the opportunity to come back in 20 hours. Edited September 5, 2017 by jRuutu Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 minute ago, jRuutu said: Sorry failed to spot your message earlier......... Soft as a punishment and in result soft as a league. Sends a clear message that someone with mindset of Punkhippie is actually needed in this league and allowed the opportunity to come in 20 hours. He said some dumb shit. Everyone knows and will remember. He got a 24 hour "time out" so to speak and will get a much longer ban if his behavior repeats. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just now, Fire Hakstol said: He said some dumb shit. Everyone knows and will remember. He got a 24 hour "time out" so to speak and will get a much longer ban if his behavior repeats. Some dumb shit and the thing he said is totally different things. Not sure if you know what he said or did, but those comments of his are deleted already. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyinAmerica 2,889 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I'd be much more interested in Kendrick's thoughts on length of ban over everyone else on either side, tbh. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 gorlab 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyinAmerica 2,889 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just now, boubabi said: Not helping. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2:05 of a good time Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, jRuutu said: Some dumb shit and the thing he said is totally different things. Not sure if you know what he said or did, but those comments of his are deleted already. I do know exactly what he said and what he posted. Don't believe someone should be permabanned over one infraction though, short of that infraction being way way way over the line like supporting Nazis or something. Also depends on his attitude coming back. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,044 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Id say a week ban and resignation form GMing. Maybe a suspension to one of his players for 16 games too. @jRuutu and nah, dude. You're a great member. So it matters to me Kendrick, Tyler and jRuutu 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 thank you @Fire Hakstol Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just now, Fire Hakstol said: I do know exactly what he said and what he posted. Don't believe someone should be permabanned over once infraction though, short of that infraction being way way way over the line like supporting Nazis or something. Also depends on his attitude coming back. That wasn't the first infraction Jim. As stated elsewhere you really gotta brush up on your VHL history. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 but...DID HE HACKED THE VHL ??????? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Fire Hakstol said: I do know exactly what he said and what he posted. Don't believe someone should be permabanned over one infraction though, short of that infraction being way way way over the line like supporting Nazis or something. Also depends on his attitude coming back. First infraction sure, but there has to be some kind of ´levels´ to those infractions, punkhippie went straight to the top level and should be automatically removed from the league and made example of Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/43713-vhl-is-soft/#findComment-467341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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