STZ 5,360 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 VHL Magazine Edition 183 Velevra 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corco 1,237 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 "Bagelface of the franchise" Finally somebody used that pun. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-57034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Thanks Victor, very well written. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-57035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I'd love it if we could get the Portal running again. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-57037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 No offense Toast but Seattle isn't that much higher in overall than the other teams. Like 1 or 2? I really think you guys underestimate league parity to be honest. It isn't just New York and Riga. The fact that the Bears specifically act like their roster on paper is consistently the best roster in the league is rather laughable. It's a good roster. Davos is a good roster, Toronto, Quebec, New York, Riga. The "they aren't that talented" comment to me shows how out of touch you really are with the league right now. So many teams with quality goalies, 400+ TPE players, star power spread out all over the league. Da Trifecta 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-57075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,746 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Good edition...nice work everyone! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-57150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,130 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Damn, so close to that 10 TPE! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-57723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Ovechkin8 262 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 No offense Toast but Seattle isn't that much higher in overall than the other teams. Like 1 or 2? I really think you guys underestimate league parity to be honest. It isn't just New York and Riga. The fact that the Bears specifically act like their roster on paper is consistently the best roster in the league is rather laughable. It's a good roster. Davos is a good roster, Toronto, Quebec, New York, Riga. The "they aren't that talented" comment to me shows how out of touch you really are with the league right now. So many teams with quality goalies, 400+ TPE players, star power spread out all over the league. words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words Toast and gregreg 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-57841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreg 930 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 No offense Toast but Seattle isn't that much higher in overall than the other teams. Like 1 or 2? I really think you guys underestimate league parity to be honest. It isn't just New York and Riga. The fact that the Bears specifically act like their roster on paper is consistently the best roster in the league is rather laughable. It's a good roster. Davos is a good roster, Toronto, Quebec, New York, Riga. The "they aren't that talented" comment to me shows how out of touch you really are with the league right now. So many teams with quality goalies, 400+ TPE players, star power spread out all over the league. I'd love to see your 6000 word post if this shit happen to you Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I'd love to see your 6000 word post if this shit happen to you I wasn't posting 6000 words when NY was cursed and not winning despite having great rosters in the playoffs. Certainly different since they did make the playoffs, but league parity also wasn't as deep back then. It's just a sim at the end of the day. It sucks when things don't go great and I do feel empathy toward you guys since you do have a good active team. But again, so does most of the league. Things go bad for a season, a sim or whatever? Bite the bullet, suck it up and move on. Da Trifecta and BOOM 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted March 29, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 29, 2014 Not a bad piece of reading. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast 887 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 No offense Toast but Seattle isn't that much higher in overall than the other teams. Like 1 or 2? I really think you guys underestimate league parity to be honest. It isn't just New York and Riga. The fact that the Bears specifically act like their roster on paper is consistently the best roster in the league is rather laughable. It's a good roster. Davos is a good roster, Toronto, Quebec, New York, Riga. The "they aren't that talented" comment to me shows how out of touch you really are with the league right now. So many teams with quality goalies, 400+ TPE players, star power spread out all over the league. Sorry to hurt your ego there, but it's true. I meant nothing against the activity of the teams, but what I said is fact. Our players are far more developed and it's not hard to see. With the exception of two/three players on either team, majority of Seattle's players (God and Ty are still young) could be the best players on either roster. Majority of the roster on both teams is still young and have a season or two before they're serious threats to the league. The goalies, for example, are miles behind Smyl but have no problem keeping up. It just doesn't make sense. Seattle should be cruising to the third-place spot right now, but as we can see, the sim just throws logic out the window. No doubt you guys will be threats in the future, but to claim that I'm "out of touch with the league" just shows nothing more than how self-centered you are. Anyway, feel free to reply nagging on about how little I know (YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW) and how on-paper stats mean nothing. Truly it shouldn't but the sim does what it wants and we all know that reply is coming. Was that enough words to match the pointless length? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Sorry to hurt your ego there, but it's true. I meant nothing against the activity of the teams, but what I said is fact. Our players are far more developed and it's not hard to see. With the exception of two/three players on either team, majority of Seattle's players (God and Ty are still young) could be the best players on either roster. Majority of the roster on both teams is still young and have a season or two before they're serious threats to the league. The goalies, for example, are miles behind Smyl but have no problem keeping up. It just doesn't make sense. Seattle should be cruising to the third-place spot right now, but as we can see, the sim just throws logic out the window. No doubt you guys will be threats in the future, but to claim that I'm "out of touch with the league" just shows nothing more than how self-centered you are. Anyway, feel free to reply nagging on about how little I know (YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW) and how on-paper stats mean nothing. Truly it shouldn't but the sim does what it wants and we all know that reply is coming. Was that enough words to match the pointless length? It isn't just about New York. The fact you think the roster is so far above not just NY but so many teams in this league doesn't make sense. It'd be one thing if you thought the sim was just being unfair to Seattle and if it was that would be a different story. But go look at all the stats. One goal games galore. Davos the top team in the league losing or barely beating certain teams. Your right Seattle SHOULD be doing better, but not by leaps and bounds. Simply because teams overalls and teams in general are so close together. Look at HEL G this season. 200 TPE goalie who is playing great and has stolen games or made games close with the worst team in the league. Again it's about overall league parity. I could go more into it but there is no need to. Go watch other teams play, go see Vasteras and Riga steal games. Go see Cologne steal games. Go see how CLOSE the teams are in overall across the league. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast 887 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Yes, one of those sentences could have been written better for sure. There is no denying that Toronto, Quebec, Davos, Cologne, and Vasteras all could give Seattle quite the fight. The "not so talented" remark which was directed at Riga and New York though seems pretty straight forward to me. The teams are still young and have a couple seasons before they're leading the league. Seattle shouldn't be struggling behind New York so much but eh, what can you do? We'll see how it plays out. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Yes, one of those sentences could have been written better for sure. There is no denying that Toronto, Quebec, Davos, Cologne, and Vasteras all could give Seattle quite the fight. The "not so talented" remark which was directed at Riga and New York though seems pretty straight forward to me. The teams are still young and have a couple seasons before they're leading the league. Seattle shouldn't be struggling behind New York so much but eh, what can you do? We'll see how it plays out. Fair enough. The thing is both New York and Riga have near 400 TPE goalies and both have a few star power players. New York has Tordahl and Riga has Blade. Add in some top rookies and a couple of 400 TPE depth guys and these teams will steal some games. The issue for Seattle is they really have struggled against Vasteras this season and the games that New York has stolen were against top teams at the wrong time for Seattle. New York stole games against Davos and Toronto for example at just a bad time in the season for Seattle when they also faced a ton of Quebec, Vasteras and Davos. Which is what has lead to the current lead. But as you may of noticed you guys are closing in. I'm not delusional. I don't think that New York is better than current Seattle. My issue wasn't with New York as stated, more so that I think league parity is at an all time high, and for any team in the league a few games where a lesser team steals a game from you which has happened to every top team in the league this season can easily alter the standings. Edited March 31, 2014 by Devise22 Toast 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 708 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Earth to anyone in the league who doesn't understand why a team like Riga/NY can beat teams like SEA/TOR/QUE. I'm going to try to explain this as easily as I can say the good teams have 5500 TPE and the up and coming teams have 3500 TPE. A difference of 2000 TPE seems ridiculous take the same rosters and give 2 Kameron Taylors extra to the better 3 teams and see who is better. Obviously you would say the teams with the 2 extra Taylors are better right? Yep but thats not what we have here. First we must realize the VHL has an updating scale 35-70 1 TPE, 70-80 2 TPE, 80-90 3 TPE, and 90-99 4 TPE. Secondly you must partner that with STHS and many other sports games using a declining/negative exponential growth. That means that attributes from 65-70 are way more significant to the outcome than attributes from 95-99. Those two things alone bring the actual TPE levels of the better teams down from 5500 at a higher percentage and the effective TPE of the lower teams is reduced by a smaller percentage. The exact number I'm not going to scientifically provide since I dont know the STHS formulas and I"m not going to do all that but lets say 5500 TPE is reduced by 10% and 3500 TPE is reduced by 5%. Our new numbers are 4950 and 3325 TPE respectfully. So now instead of having 2 Kameron Taylors in difference between our two teams we have 1 Kameron Taylor and say a Brennan McQueen. Two more things to factor in for the reasons in the games actually being competitive is that you cant just mass the most TPE and expect to win. You need a certain chemistry between players, a certain number of players at each position, and other stuff like that. Finally for the actual reasons that you shouldn't be surprised about the games outcomes is NY/RIG aren't being hit by depreciation. Take Ethan Osborne for example 1200 TPE but effectively his attributes add up to just over 750. Lets look back at our slightly adjusted TPE levels of 4950 and 3325 and take 450 away for the depreciation of 1 player on say Seattle. 4950 is now down to 4500 and they have 2 other players hit by depreciation as well. So now the real difference between a team like Seattle and Riga is effectively maybe 1 extra Kameron Taylor. However the matchup between two teams for checking, passing, puck handling, scoring, chemistry, and whatever else is there could be favorable to the lesser TPE based on player builds alone but two other teams the matchup is completely different. Finally STHS is a sim engine think of it like a slot machine where the odds are 60% you win 40% you lose in the 8 matchups the teams play you could come up lose all 8 times the lesser team could get the right variation all 8 times and it wouldn't be OMG how did this happen it would be the teams are close enough that it could happen and it did. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-58874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STZ 5,360 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 In short - it's all luck. If you "play" the VHL for the sole purpose of sim results, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-59086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Svoboda_3 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 So many Media Spots here Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-59090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 438 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 How boring would it be if the standings were just highest TPE to lowest TPE. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-59164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STZ 5,360 Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 How boring would it be if the standings were just highest TPE to lowest TPE. Connor Low, though. Corco 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/6438-edition-183/#findComment-59209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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