Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 @samx Can we get more information on this please? Are they not allowed to have free speech? or did they personally attack someone? Because these are 2 different things. User @Bedirhanhas received a 1 week forum suspension (10/4-10/11) and 2 week tpe ban (weeks starting 10/10 and 10/17) for violation of the vhl code of conduct. Specifically section 1.1 attacks against sexual orientation and gender identity. Reminder to all that everyone is allowed to freely share their gender identity and sexual orientation and speak about it. We don't tolerate comments made discouraging healthy conversations about said topics. User @jRuutu has received a 2 week forum suspension (10/4-10/18) and 3 week tpe ban (weeks starting 10/10, 10/17, 10/24) Specifically section 1.1 attacks against sexual orientation and gender identity. Reminder to all that everyone is allowed to freely share their gender identity and sexual orientation and speak about it. We don't tolerate comments made discouraging healthy conversations about said topics. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator samx 1,175 Posted October 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2022 the comments made were found to be hurtful to the LGBTQ+ community and therefore the following punishment was dealt. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 soo they were punished for free speech and not actually attacking someone? Gotcha. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator samx 1,175 Posted October 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Achilles said: soo they were punished for free speech and not actually attacking someone? Gotcha. You have free speech but when free speech turns into hate speech you will be punished. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, samx said: You have free speech but when free speech turns into hate speech you will be punished. but what defines hate speech? whatever you disagree with? I mean, hate speech can be anything. I just don't see why they are banned for this. maybe a warning or something. but this is a bit authoritarianism like. of course I would never even talk about this issue in any chat I am in, I dont care and just here to play hockey, but this seems a bit over reach of power. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator samx 1,175 Posted October 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Achilles said: but what defines hate speech? whatever you disagree with? I mean, hate speech can be anything. I just don't see why they are banned for this. maybe a warning or something. but this is a bit authoritarianism like. of course I would never even talk about this issue in any chat I am in, I dont care and just here to play hockey, but this seems a bit over reach of power. cool you don't have to talk about the topics but other people are free to. And discouraging talking about LGBTQ related is hurtful to the community. The LGBTQ community is silenced enough as it is in this world. This is a place they are allowed to freely talk about it. Telling people they are not allowed to talk about it is a form of anti-lgbtq which we do not allow in this league. feel as you may but the mods decision stands. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, samx said: cool you don't have to talk about the topics but other people are free to. And discouraging talking about LGBTQ related is hurtful to the community. The LGBTQ community is silenced enough as it is in this world. This is a place they are allowed to freely talk about it. Telling people they are not allowed to talk about it is a form of anti-lgbtq which we do not allow in this league. feel as you may but the mods decision stands. I am not discouraging any convo about that. I am guessing that is what they did? well regardless, you are wrong. the LGBT community has been stronger than ever and in every single movie and tv show made now. In fact being straight is looked down upon. I dont care who is what, or what is who. I just want to play hockey and have a good time. I don;t want hate of any kind either. but couldn't you done a warning and deleted the thread? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Achilles said: I am not discouraging any convo about that. I am guessing that is what they did? well regardless, you are wrong. the LGBT community has been stronger than ever and in every single movie and tv show made now. In fact being straight is looked down upon. I dont care who is what, or what is who. I just want to play hockey and have a good time. I don;t want hate of any kind either. but couldn't you done a warning and deleted the thread? I was told not first offense. I agree then. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnGlade 1,010 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Achilles said: @samx Can we get more information on this please? Are they not allowed to have free speech? or did they personally attack someone? Because these are 2 different things. User @Bedirhanhas received a 1 week forum suspension (10/4-10/11) and 2 week tpe ban (weeks starting 10/10 and 10/17) for violation of the vhl code of conduct. Specifically section 1.1 attacks against sexual orientation and gender identity. Reminder to all that everyone is allowed to freely share their gender identity and sexual orientation and speak about it. We don't tolerate comments made discouraging healthy conversations about said topics. User @jRuutu has received a 2 week forum suspension (10/4-10/18) and 3 week tpe ban (weeks starting 10/10, 10/17, 10/24) Specifically section 1.1 attacks against sexual orientation and gender identity. Reminder to all that everyone is allowed to freely share their gender identity and sexual orientation and speak about it. We don't tolerate comments made discouraging healthy conversations about said topics. I'm not a mod, but I've been monitoring this situation closely as sam is not only a good friend of mine and my AGM, but the player in question was on my team. That being said I fully support the punishment. Bedirhan made comments that were not only harassing in nature of the LGBTQ community, but also showed no remorse and doubled down on what he said. Free speech is alright on the site, but when he makes an article out of nowhere that nobody asked him to write, makes hurtful comments towards a specific group of people, and then claims that article for TPE, thats not longer free speech Edited October 4, 2022 by ShawnGlade Moon, Trunkxolotl, Dom and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, ShawnGlade said: I'm not a mod, but I've been monitoring this situation closely as sam is not only a good friend of mine and my GM, but the player in question was on my team. That being said I fully support the punishment. Bedirhan made comments that were not only harassing in nature of the LGBTQ community, but also showed no remorse and doubled down on what he said. Free speech is alright on the site, but when he makes an article out of nowhere that nobody asked him to write, makes hurtful comments towards a specific group of people, and then claims that article for TPE, thats not longer free speech I was told it wasn't the first time so I support it as well Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_Ferk 766 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I interpreted Ruutu's article as clowing on the other guy, so I'm confused why he got a longer ban Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enorama 2,039 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, Achilles said: Are they not allowed to have free speech? Free speech only protects you from government prosecution because of things you say. Nothing is stopping private forums from policing speech in any way. Beketov, N0HBDY, kirbithan and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,095 Posted October 4, 2022 Commissioner Share Posted October 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, a_Ferk said: I interpreted Ruutu's article as clowing on the other guy, so I'm confused why he got a longer ban Past history plays a part in future punishments. Ruutu has been in trouble more and therefore receives a harsher punishment. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Josh 1,672 Posted October 4, 2022 Commissioner Share Posted October 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, a_Ferk said: I interpreted Ruutu's article as clowing on the other guy, so I'm confused why he got a longer ban I believe that's due to what the DoPS would call "repeat offender" status. And yes, what Eno said. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Enorama said: Free speech only protects you from government prosecution because of things you say. Nothing is stopping private forums from policing speech in any way. lol so I am the bad guy for asking questions? not once did she tell me, she did give a first offense. only in direct messages. God forbid I am active and wanted more info. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,122 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Achilles, diacope and Moon 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Josh 1,672 Posted October 4, 2022 Commissioner Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Achilles said: lol so I am the bad guy for asking questions? No one said this. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Josh said: No one said this. I understand the situation now. I am sorry for "calling you out" @samx I was told just now by a good friend that doing a forum is calling someone out. That wasn't my intention. I just wanted information. Next time I will just send a direct message. Sorry everyone, I just wanted to understand the situation completely. I agree with this decision, again, a 3rd time. Edited October 4, 2022 by Achilles Ricer13 and samx 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Yeah naw DMs or forum PMs are definitely the way to go Not the easy way to learn that lesson but glad ya did Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles 91 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, NSG said: Yeah naw DMs or forum PMs are definitely the way to go Not the easy way to learn that lesson but glad ya did @NSG Can we add that in to the new players guide? If I would have seen it, my actions would have been different. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePerfectNut 563 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, samx said: the comments made were found to be hurtful to the LGBTQ+ community and therefore the following punishment was dealt. As a black men, I’m gonna have fun abusing being “hurtful” lmao N0HBDY and Achilles 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted October 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) Question has been answered. Locking thread. Also people really need look up what freedom of speech means, because it was used incorrectly in this case and it really shouldn't be given how long that amendment has been around. Edited October 4, 2022 by Baozi jacobcarson877, Banackock and Nykonax 1 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/128046-banned/#findComment-953519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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