MAL/PRG; S98

[Triller 1,721]

Let it go everyone!  My god the insufferable mouth pieces who all of a sudden have major concerns about another teams moves and come back to old trade threads to whine about something they have no control over just to try to make someone feel like crap is quite telling of the type of person you are in this league.  Move on already.  Your opinion won't reverse this trade.  I only hope Lucy doesn't take any of this garbage to heart as chasing away a top member in the league doesn't bode well for its continued existence.

[LucyXpher 1,766]

11 minutes ago, Grape said:

Half-assing anything, whether it be contending or rebuilding, is how you become Warsaw. Malmo is not in the stage of building up to a window, but prolonging a rebuild, which is just gonna hurt you in the long run. Selling then immediately buying is how you hurt a team. Dedicate either to tanking or contending. Malmo wasn't good enough to win last season, and maintaining the status quo isn't gonna help at all

Couldn't agree more, which is why we didn't half-ass our contending last season (which is what you proposed in your podcast btw-- "just stand pat" you said-- that would be half-assing).  And we're not half-assing now because we're selling for assets and prospects with longer term value.  

I don't see how you think we might be prolonging a rebuild.  Selling then immediately buying? I actually have no clue what you're referring to, please explain.  

We most definitely were good enough to win last season, the best team just doesn't always win and that's life, but we were 100% in with a chance.  And if you believe in a "Malmo curse" or "Victory Cup curse" so much that you think pushing for 1st in the regular season isn't worth it, that's problematic imo. 

 

And we are not maintaining the status quo lol, keep up!  

[Nykonax 1,604]

20 minutes ago, Grape said:

Malmo wasn't good enough to win last season, and maintaining the status quo isn't gonna help at all

I think this is a bad take. They got first in conference (albeit maybe inflated cause of EU) and just got sths'd in playoffs. I think they could've tried to run it back but then they're so doomed for the next 5 seasons. This move at least gives them potential to have something going for them in 3 seasons. I'll probably write an article (rare) analyzing overall malmo off-season and then come to a conclusion. But thinking abt it more i don't hate this move long term

[badcolethetitan 981]

Imo just becomes how much value you can get out of whoever you take with the 1st

[LucyXpher 1,766]

51 minutes ago, Nykonax said:

idk I think in vhl there's no reason to ever just be competing for a playoff spot. irl sports there's benefits for fans/merch/ticket sales stuff like that but that's just not a thing in vhl. 

 

otherwise if you're just playing for a playoff spot you're never really good enough to win but you're also not getting top picks to work with so you're kind of stuck in a middling spot that's only decaying as players age. 

 

i don't necessarily hate this move in context of malmo. I think that obviously something has to be done and getting 1st overall is an amazing start not even for a rebuild but just having a valuable asset that can be either be committed to for competing or in 2 seasons flipped as a valuable sign and trade. depends on the rest of the off-season tbh. it does give malmo a longer time horizon instead of just being screwed in a season or two.  Just depends how the rest of the team is managed in the future because it is a key move 

I don't disagree, which is why we're moving players out after being all-in last season.  The goal is exactly not to get caught in the middle.  

[Grape 811]

21 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

 (which is what you proposed in your podcast btw-- "just stand pat" you said-- that would be half-assing).

Nice job taking it out of context

Tells me you didn't actually listen to it at all. I never proposed that. 

[badcolethetitan 981]

I can't wait for Grape to get a VHL GM job eventually and then the rivalry becomes crazy, this will be peak content in the VHL

[Banackock 8,313]

Who cares, Seattle won again

[AJW 2,290]

Malmo best forum content team in the VHL confirmed after this banger

[tcookie 985]

Malmo turning 11th and 12th overall picks into

- a season with Leitner in which we won the Victory Cup by a ton (so clearly were good enough to try to win)

- an extra 2nd (later traded)

- 1st overall in S98

- two more 2nds and some late picks

 

and saying that's a bad thing is wild

 

11th and 12th overall picks for a 1st overall pick alone is great value

Edited Wednesday at 08:38 PM by tcookie

[LucyXpher 1,766]

Just now, Grape said:

Nice job taking it out of context

Tells me you didn't actually listen to it at all. I never proposed that. 

You did in fact say that and the context is there for anyone to listen.  I'm not trying to misquote you, I'm just trying to understand. 

Your first choice was blow it up.  But if the players wanted to stay (which they did) to compete for one more season, you said you'd be willing to do that, but that the best choice would have been to sit back and not buy.  (that's half-assing)

Check the tape: 22:50 you say, "If I took the team, I'll respect the wishes, I'll keep the team together... but wouldn't buy". 

 

[Nykonax 1,604]

5 minutes ago, tcookie said:

Malmo turning 11th and 12th overall picks into

- a season with Leitner in which we won the Victory Cup by a ton (so clearly were good enough to try to win)

- an extra 2nd (later traded)

- 1st overall in S98

- two more 2nds and some late picks

 

and saying that's a bad thing is wild

 

11th and 12th overall picks for a 1st overall pick alone is great value

Even the other trades have been acquiring younger clickers who are going to scale. In 2 seasons Malmo is going to have some solid assets to work with + unlocking picks. They'll be in a super flexible spot. 

 

No one questioning Prague here is a little suspicious too I think cause does this deal really make sense for them? I haven't really looked into what they've done so far. Is leitner and whatever other moves they make really the difference maker

[CowboyinAmerica 2,968]

4 minutes ago, Nykonax said:

No one questioning Prague here is a little suspicious too I think cause does this deal really make sense for them? I haven't really looked into what they've done so far. Is leitner and whatever other moves they make really the difference maker

 

Lol I almost wrote up a whole long thing about how Prague is the much more interesting side to the trade IMO, but didn't want to contribute to the flame war. But yeah, that conundrum about what Malmo will do with Bek/whoever in two seasons, that's Prague with literally this trade and OD entering his third season. Prague could hold pat (but that takes a lot of trust that OD's fine with not competing until Season 100), selling again to really be swimming in assets to be an unquestioned contender further down the road (honestly what I might have done), or go mostly all in to try and compete (which they did). I'm not sure it's enough juice, but it'll be fascinating to watch.

[Spartan 4,648]

27 minutes ago, tcookie said:

Malmo turning 11th and 12th overall picks into

- a season with Leitner in which we won the Victory Cup by a ton (so clearly were good enough to try to win)

- an extra 2nd (later traded)

- 1st overall in S98

- two more 2nds and some late picks

 

and saying that's a bad thing is wild

 

11th and 12th overall picks for a 1st overall pick alone is great value

Cool and all but when you realize a GM player is involved it really changes the returns you're getting. Bringing your own GM player in will always be for cheaper because you hostage whatever team you play for. They'd rather get something than nothing, while the GM can trade their own player out for a ransom. 

 

Again, not opining on what's good or bad with Malmo's trade otherwise there'll be more pearl clutching, just that GM player trades do not follow normal trade expectations at all. Carry on the forum content all!

[LucyXpher 1,766]

9 minutes ago, Spartan said:

Cool and all but when you realize a GM player is involved it really changes the returns you're getting. Bringing your own GM player in will always be for cheaper because you hostage whatever team you play for. They'd rather get something than nothing, while the GM can trade their own player out for a ransom. 

 

Again, not opining on what's good or bad with Malmo's trade otherwise there'll be more pearl clutching, just that GM player trades do not follow normal trade expectations at all. Carry on the forum content all!

I was told I overpaid for my player, so there's that...

[Spartan 4,648]

7 minutes ago, LucyXpher said:

I was told I overpaid for my player, so there's that...

Maybe at the time, dunno I didn't look back to see the exact details. Just assumed the class was ass in retrospect as most drafts now are after like 8-9oa. If it was me, whoops

[Grape 811]

1 hour ago, LucyXpher said:

You did in fact say that and the context is there for anyone to listen.  I'm not trying to misquote you, I'm just trying to understand. 

Your first choice was blow it up.  But if the players wanted to stay (which they did) to compete for one more season, you said you'd be willing to do that, but that the best choice would have been to sit back and not buy.  (that's half-assing)

Check the tape: 22:50 you say, "If I took the team, I'll respect the wishes, I'll keep the team together... but wouldn't buy". 

 

And yet you bought instead 

[Banackock 8,313]

1 hour ago, AJW said:

Malmo best forum content team in the VHL confirmed after this banger

I say it’s you @frescoelmo

[LucyXpher 1,766]

8 minutes ago, Grape said:

And yet you bought instead 

lol and what did I buy exactly that has lost me so much value?

 

[Grape 811]

2 hours ago, Spartan said:

Maybe at the time, dunno I didn't look back to see the exact details. Just assumed the class was ass in retrospect as most drafts now are after like 8-9oa. If it was me, whoops

Your AGM was selected at that pick iirc

[Pifferfish 722]

5 hours ago, Grape said:

Yet Fish was saying y'all were going to keep competing in S98... curious

I said we'd still probably be in the playoffs in S98. In the context of trading that pick and it's value not being that high. We are still better than Warsaw and London, Riga is about to probably sell depending what their new GM does. Which puts us firmly in the Wild Card.

[Pifferfish 722]

4 hours ago, Nykonax said:

idk I think in vhl there's no reason to ever just be competing for a playoff spot. irl sports there's benefits for fans/merch/ticket sales stuff like that but that's just not a thing in vhl. 

 

otherwise if you're just playing for a playoff spot you're never really good enough to win but you're also not getting top picks to work with so you're kind of stuck in a middling spot that's only decaying as players age. 

 

i don't necessarily hate this move in context of malmo. I think that obviously something has to be done and getting 1st overall is an amazing start not even for a rebuild but just having a valuable asset that can be either be committed to for competing or in 2 seasons flipped as a valuable sign and trade. depends on the rest of the off-season tbh. it does give malmo a longer time horizon instead of just being screwed in a season or two.  Just depends how the rest of the team is managed in the future because it is a key move 

Nyko, look at Malmo's draft pick situation, what reason do they have to be bad? So our players get disinterested and go IA? This is the issue with people like Grape's opinions. They are 1 dimensional and lack actual context of Malmo's situation. Not that you are in the wrong here, I'm just merely saying this happens a lot very often. Idk

[Pifferfish 722]

3 hours ago, LucyXpher said:

Couldn't agree more, which is why we didn't half-ass our contending last season (which is what you proposed in your podcast btw-- "just stand pat" you said-- that would be half-assing).  And we're not half-assing now because we're selling for assets and prospects with longer term value.  

I don't see how you think we might be prolonging a rebuild.  Selling then immediately buying? I actually have no clue what you're referring to, please explain.  

We most definitely were good enough to win last season, the best team just doesn't always win and that's life, but we were 100% in with a chance.  And if you believe in a "Malmo curse" or "Victory Cup curse" so much that you think pushing for 1st in the regular season isn't worth it, that's problematic imo. 

 

And we are not maintaining the status quo lol, keep up!  

Buddy is acting like we didn't literally lose to the same team that he lost to, and we were closer to beating them lol comical.

[Frank 5,320]

This trade needs more draft picks and comments. 

[Pifferfish 722]

3 hours ago, Nykonax said:

Even the other trades have been acquiring younger clickers who are going to scale. In 2 seasons Malmo is going to have some solid assets to work with + unlocking picks. They'll be in a super flexible spot. 

 

No one questioning Prague here is a little suspicious too I think cause does this deal really make sense for them? I haven't really looked into what they've done so far. Is leitner and whatever other moves they make really the difference maker

2 of those 4 players have become more than Clickers since that trade due to our culture in Malmo, one is the highest earning player in the VHL this past month, or maybe he has fallen out of the top. Shaw is busy with a bit of school stuff but is planning to get on the MS train and be closer to maxing.