gorlab 4,321 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Victor is already at 1/3rd of my tpe, which I've amassed after 4+ seasons of solid and consistent activity, and his career LITERALLY hasn't started yet. Im about ready to get back on my Fuck VHL shit, in an extra big way. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 WTF are you talking about? I have 658 TPE, which is 164(ish) less then your GM who recreated at the same time. Neither of you fucks should have more tpe than someone like myself who has consistently updated and hovered around the 9tpe/week cap for a good portion of my career. Whatever it is that is allowing this to happen needs to be looked at (I have no idea what it is because if I did, I would be abusing it like you guys do) Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Whale 13 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Victor is already at 1/3rd of my tpe, which I've amassed after 4+ seasons of solid and consistent activity, and his career LITERALLY hasn't started yet. Im about ready to get back on my Fuck VHL shit, in an extra big way. gorlab, Sixersfan594 and xDParK 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Victor is already at 1/3rd of my tpe, which I've amassed after 4+ seasons of solid and consistent activity, and his career LITERALLY hasn't started yet. Im about ready to get back on my Fuck VHL shit, in an extra big way. oh boy lol Do u fill out 9/9 every week? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 oh boy lol Do u fill out 9/9 every week? What do you think? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 What do you think?idk Gorlab, didn't see ur previous post when I was typing (u posted after I typed it). It's from a few things - achievement tracker, recruitment, donations and the fantasy games/pick 'em Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Take away Kendrick's and Green's tpe imo. Also can someone explain to me how exactly BOOM has like 900 tpe in 2 seasons? (no offence boom) I've consistently done point tasks and held jobs for a majority of my VHL career and am somehow trailing people who's current player's career started 2-3 seasons after mine. If this league actually wants to grow, then this needs to be addressed or else it's just gonna be the same 10 people making elite players over and over again, while everyone else gets turned off due to the sheer impossibility of being competitive with these people. I agree with this perspective also. I think that we should look at having current players pay into a "NHLPA-style" retirement fund - much more similar to a pension as well. Say for example that any TPE earned over 1,000 is applied to your next player. This creates a level playing field for all regardless of how quickly you accumulate TPE. This allows players who retire and create a new player to stay consistently competitive and also allows them to get up to speed much faster when they retire and recreate. But we all know nothing will change. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I agree with this perspective also. I think that we should look at having current players pay into a "NHLPA-style" retirement fund - much more similar to a pension as well. Say for example that any TPE earned over 1,000 is applied to your next player. This creates a level playing field for all regardless of how quickly you accumulate TPE. This allows players who retire and create a new player to stay consistently competitive and also allows them to get up to speed much faster when they retire and recreate. But we all know nothing will change. I can feel the rush of comments about changing history and record books, etc. coming already, but I would like something like this. I wish the league were at a point that builds were more important and diverse, if the limit was lower than 1,000 (the ways we earn TPE would need to be different), then we could actually see some interesting and diverse builds. I'd love to see more realistic attributes in the sim instead of all players essentially hitting 99s across the board in their prime. Someone in the SHL posted this recently, what Jonathan Quick's STHS build would be and it really made me wish we were closer to this model, as it would make things more interesting, in my opinion: Jonathan Quick in our league would be 741 TPE SK 87 DU 90 SZ 83 AG 88 RB 89 SC 88 HJ 92 RT 90 PH 88 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Fuck the "history books." Yes it changes the entire map of the league but it rewards veterans more for their experience than the current system and only asks that new members put in the work in the first four or five seasons but really gives them an opportunity to succeed and play with the big boys eventually. As it is set up now, unless you've been here for five or six years then you don't stand a competitive chance to really be a "legend." Really fucks with the entire point of this sim league which is that everyone has the opportunity to create their own superstar. There are like 70 active users in a league that has been around nearly a decade. This place needs a refresh desperately. It's not that it doesn't work well as it is now but it could be better. Point tasks need a refocus, there needs to be equal parity with both players and teams/conferences and overall discussion needs an injection of vitality. Molholt 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 But we want to encourage re-creates. So what if they get an extra 100 TPE because of that, the build is what matters. Also the carryover rewards anyone to continue earning TPE on their current player. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 But we want to encourage re-creates. So what if they get an extra 100 TPE because of that, the build is what matters. Also the carryover rewards anyone to continue earning TPE on their current player. Nothing about what I've suggested would discourage re-creates. As a matter of fact it would allow your re-created player the possibility of starting their career with maybe 500-700 TPE given the example carryover proposal I've made. That would mean that 2nd and 3rd gen players could very easily come right into the league and be competitive rather than having to progress through the traditional VHLM process. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I personally think the current system is flawless, but I think that recreates must be done after VHLm and VHL playoffs, that way it's less weeks of TPE and a year for donations for recreates. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) I personally think the current system is flawless, but I think that recreates must be done after VHLm and VHL playoffs, that way it's less weeks of TPE and a year for donations for recreates. So you would make absolutely no changes to the current format? I'm not proposing change for the sake of change. I genuinely don't understand why we allow players to earn 99s in every category and then let them retire and keep 10% of their haul anyway. And that's coming from the guy who thought all this shit up. But I never expected to get to season 44! Fuck... at the time I created this league no other league had ever made it to a 10th season. Recreating wasn't even a common thing. I didn't expect the league to be this successful or that policy to be so common. Edited July 8, 2015 by brooks. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanSobie 91 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Nothing about what I've suggested would discourage re-creates. As a matter of fact it would allow your re-created player the possibility of starting their career with maybe 500-700 TPE given the example carryover proposal I've made. That would mean that 2nd and 3rd gen players could very easily come right into the league and be competitive rather than having to progress through the traditional VHLM process. Doesn't that lead to the same issue gorlab pointed out about turning off new members? If I were to come in here and I saw that the draft class I was joining was filled with people already halfway to the max build what would be my motivation to stay? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Brooks - Read the whole part. Re-creates with carry-over should not have the ability to have a season and a half + an off-season before they get drafted. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Doesn't that lead to the same issue gorlab pointed out about turning off new members? If I were to come in here and I saw that the draft class I was joining was filled with people already halfway to the max build what would be my motivation to stay? That's a fair point... the idea though is that they wouldn't exceed 1,000 TPE (that's just a random number, we could change it. I don't know what a common TPE total is these days). Eventually, if you put in the work, you would catch up to those players. It is absolutely possible. As it is now you don't really stand a chance of catching up unless you are active in the league for multiple years. So yes, there would be a large parity gap at the beginning of a brand new person's career but by the time they go to recreate the first time that member would be able to compete right away. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Brooks - Read the whole part. Re-creates with carry-over should not have the ability to have a season and a half + an off-season before they get drafted. I never suggested that they should... If we're implementing rules then that should be one we add/change also. I don't think that's a bad idea! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Whale 13 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 donations for TPE? i bet the VHL commish is making way more $ than park gorlab 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I never suggested that they should... If we're implementing rules then that should be one we add/change also. I don't think that's a bad idea! my whole statement there practically suggested that carry over recreates shouldn't be able to get that extra 30-60 TPE and get donations from an extra year and all that. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 my whole statement there practically suggested that carry over recreates shouldn't be able to get that extra 30-60 TPE and get donations from an extra year and all that. Sorry bud I only just joined the conversation on page five and didn't read further back. Hold please. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 donations for TPE? i bet the VHL commish is making way more $ than park That really should be limited. There's no way it costs more than $20/month MAX to run this league. I agree that the commissioners deserve incentive but not if they're not actively working to both manage and improve the league. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Maybe create a max amount of TPE to be carried over? Such as 100 or something? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks. 58 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Maybe create a max amount of TPE to be carried over? Such as 100 or something? That would defeat the purpose. You see at that point if we both capped TPE at a certain level and limited the amount of carryover we would have members possibly go inactive out of lack of things to do. Unless you maintain that no changes need to be made to the current accumulation format - only the recreation process. At which point we just simply fundamentally disagree. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 That would defeat the purpose. You see at that point if we both capped TPE at a certain level and limited the amount of carryover we would have members possibly go inactive out of lack of things to do. Unless you maintain that no changes need to be made to the current accumulation format - only the recreation process. At which point we just simply fundamentally disagree. even if you cap carryover to 100 TPE, if someone recreates in the "prime" time they would need 1,250 TPE to max out their carryover. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachReilly 688 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) Coach you realize recruiting rewards have been changed, right? about time. only took 4 seasons after i started complaining about it. what are the actual new rules? probably still too much TPE being given out. boom's guy is not all that bad. Karnage is the absolute worst in history in terms of recruitment abuse. No offense to boubabi because he did it within the rules, but he and I discussed what a joke it was how much TPE he was getting from recruitment... Edited July 8, 2015 by CoachReilly Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/21807-so-i-went-over-to-shl/page/4/#findComment-240199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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