Guest Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Yes, but are we going by my logic? He also just updated before I offered this contract btw. No, but I'm speaking on a respect level though haha. Saying and doing are two totally different actions. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 I would argue that having a player come on and update to circumvent your proposed system of updating=activity is no different than the previous system of having a member come on and post to be considered active. Which is why I still stand by logging on as activity. (Which is how it is, so Jericho is active regardless of updating or not) Yet you proposed that you must update to be considered active. Talk a player into posting/talk a player into updating, tomato/tomato. (say them differently in your head) I don't think anything is wrong with this, or the Giygas signing for that matter. I'm just pointing out there is no difference in a GM getting a player to show his "Activity" when it benefits that GM and hurts another. That's still working the system to favor yourself. I didn't ask him to update. He did it himself so.. I just wanted to sign him..regardless if he had updated before or not. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I actually asked Jericho to update Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,618 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Thanks JerichoHombre Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) I didn't ask him to update. He did it himself so.. I just wanted to sign him..regardless if he had updated before or not. My point is that you and him should both have that right, regardless of if he had updated or not. It's your team to make offers with, and his player to accept them. If he's logging in to the site, it should be in his control is my point. This is a ridiculous one to use as an example because Jericho is active, but the GIYGAS signing that everyone points to is another good example. If Damien was logging in to the site, I think it is his decision to sign or not to sign - not any of the GMs. If he hadn't been on the site in a month, that's another story. You made the argument for requiring updates to be active. I think coming to the site shows activity. I'm showing that even if Jericho didn't update recently, this situation would still be acceptable - but under your argument it wouldn't be, he would be considered inactive and a bidding war would ensue. I think it is good for a GM to be able to go about it this way. It promotes league activity, even if only in rare circumstances. If GIYGAS had come back to the VHL with full activity just because he ended up on another team, that's good for the league. It maybe didn't work out that way, but he had the opportunity to make that kind of decision to increase his interest in the league. Maybe sometimes it doesn't change anything, but if it does every once in a while, then that's a positive. GMs having control over player movement of guys who are logging in to the site doesn't promote their activity, it makes them feel powerless. Edited May 8, 2014 by Molholt Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted May 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted May 8, 2014 It's time to shift the balance back to New York being the league's hated team. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball 453 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 It's time to shift the balance back to New York being the league's hated team. You mean they weren't already? Thats news to me Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 It's time to shift the balance back to New York being the league's hated team. Can I just once be on a team that isn't so hated? Believe it or not I really wished I could be drafted to Cologne.... Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-70946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STZ 5,360 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Can I just once be on a team that isn't so hated? Believe it or not I really wished I could be drafted to Cologne.... i think you just think people hate you and your team every time tbh.. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 i think you just think people hate you and your team every time tbh.. Yeah, in reality we just hate him. STZ and JardyB10 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ace 3,112 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I haven't updated since March (admittedly in an effort to try to finish below Helsinki) does that make me inactive? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I haven't updated since March (admittedly in an effort to try to finish below Helsinki) does that make me inactive? toads. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I haven't updated since March (admittedly in an effort to try to finish below Helsinki) does that make me inactive? According to some (if taken literally to exaggerate a point), yes. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted May 9, 2014 Admin Share Posted May 9, 2014 I haven't updated since March (admittedly in an effort to try to finish below Helsinki) does that make me inactive? That's cunning. Time to make a rule against it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) I haven't updated since March (admittedly in an effort to try to finish below Helsinki) does that make me inactive? I don't really want to get into this again but yes based on the one month system. Although if it were my rule it'd be 3 or 4 months without updating, which would not make you inactive. Edited May 9, 2014 by Advantage Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Yeah, in reality we just hate him. tis true Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megster 63 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Okay so I didn't read the whole thread but it's blatantly clear that Chris only thinks that inactivity idea when it applies to other teams because this is the second time he had what he would consider an "inactive" sign to stay with his team. Can we please all just stop pretending like you have to update to have any say in your player because that is the stupidest idea ever. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Okay so I didn't read the whole thread but it's blatantly clear that Chris only thinks that inactivity idea when it applies to other teams because this is the second time he had what he would consider an "inactive" sign to stay with his team. Can we please all just stop pretending like you have to update to have any say in your player because that is the stupidest idea ever. Only time I can see that being an issue is if the player has a NTC. If they don't update but they are here, their NTC should be removed. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I`m sure we settled this with stating the user had to post within the last 30 days. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Okay so I didn't read the whole thread but it's blatantly clear that Chris only thinks that inactivity idea when it applies to other teams It's blatantly clear that you haven't read any of the relevant threads to this topic. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megster 63 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 It's blatantly clear that you haven't read any of the relevant threads to this topic. No I've read what you wrote and what everyone else has wrote and your opinion is that if they aren't updating they are inactive and should have no say on their player which means jericho should have been an inactive. You say this is how it should be but look at GIYGAS and Kellinger. You always seem to be the team benefiting from how the rules are and try to slip and slide around them but you're supposed to be on the BoD and this is how you act? Shameful tbh. You're entitled to your opinion but you're not entitled to special treatment. Your opinion sucks btw but whatever you can have a sucky opinion idc. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 No I've read what you wrote and what everyone else has wrote and your opinion is that if they aren't updating they are inactive and should have no say on their player which means jericho should have been an inactive. You say this is how it should be but look at GIYGAS and Kellinger. You always seem to be the team benefiting from how the rules are and try to slip and slide around them but you're supposed to be on the BoD and this is how you act? Shameful tbh. You're entitled to your opinion but you're not entitled to special treatment. Your opinion sucks btw but whatever you can have a sucky opinion idc. At the same time though, his opinion is well respected whether we agree or not because he is active and stays around. Your's however is skeptical because you always go away. His opinion may be considered "shit" by your standards, but at least we listen to it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megster 63 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 At the same time though, his opinion is well respected whether we agree or not because he is active and stays around. Your's however is skeptical because you always go away. His opinion may be considered "shit" by your standards, but at least we listen to it. I didn't call it shit I said it was sucky and I already talked to him on chat and changed my mind about the signing but his opinion still sucks If I'm one of the ones that might be considered inactive while I'm still active because I don't update every week my opinion is kind of relevant because it's still my player I still come on here to see how my player does I just don't update very often Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I didn't call it shit I said it was sucky and I already talked to him on chat and changed my mind about the signing but his opinion still sucks If I'm one of the ones that might be considered inactive while I'm still active because I don't update every week my opinion is kind of relevant because it's still my player I still come on here to see how my player does I just don't update very often Fair enough, what I'm saying is your opinion isn't weighted as heavily as his because you are essentially inactive. Chris however isn't, so regardless of it sucking in your mind, it's still more respected. Goes without saying though really. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,745 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Ball and Megster 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/7785-s38-s33-c-wesley-kellinger/page/2/#findComment-71569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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