scoop 3,447 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Just thought I'd start a poll because people seemed to agree that it's stupid, and Most Sportsmanlike is as well. Also, discuss. Edited January 31, 2017 by Streetlite Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
der meister 3,236 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Don't get rid of most sportsmanlike right after predicting me to win it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,095 Posted January 31, 2017 Commissioner Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yes to both. Replace Leadership with Offensive Defenseman and replace Sportsmanlike with Lowest GAA. That's my opinion on the matter anyway. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,129 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 45 minutes ago, Beketov said: Yes to both. Replace Leadership with Offensive Defenseman and replace Sportsmanlike with Lowest GAA. That's my opinion on the matter anyway. #Beke4BOG DollarAndADream, Devise and Beketov 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JardyB10 4,868 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I voted no, but we could rework them into something more meaningful and/or less arbitrary. Maybe even combine them. Also while winning Most Sportsmanlike is quite random, people who build two-way players essentially give up that award. Otherwise there would be no disadvantage to putting points in checking (unless you just felt you wanted less PIMs in general. In which case, if people feel having few PIMs is important, what's wrong with there being an award for it?) Jericho 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,282 Posted January 31, 2017 Head Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Voted yes because the following descriptions (paraphrased) are currently in the VHL hall of fame under each of the two awards in question: Mikka Virkkunen Trophy (Sportsmanlike) - "...deemed to be most sportsmanlike" and "...well-respected figure" ie. stay around long enough and not have people hate you (why I'll never win... yolo) Grimm Jonsson Trophy (Leader) - "...deemed to be top leader on his team" and "...magnificent leader" ie. the lebron james "come to my team because I have a lot of TPE" award So really they are member awards, not player awards. Make it measurable or quantitative, or even player-related, and then we're talking. Edited January 31, 2017 by frescoelmo Kendrick 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
der meister 3,236 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, frescoelmo said: Voted yes because the following descriptions (paraphrased) are currently in the VHL hall of fame under each of the two awards in question: Mikka Virkkunen Trophy (Sportsmanlike) - "...deemed to be most sportsmanlike" and "...well-respected figure" ie. stay around long enough and not have people hate you (why I'll never win... yolo) Grimm Jonsson Trophy (Leader) - "...deemed to be top leader on his team" and "...magnificent leader" ie. the lebron james "come to my team because I have a lot of TPE" award So really they are member awards, not player awards. Make it measurable or quantitative, or even player-related, and then we're talking. Pretty sure most sportsmanlike refers to the player, as in PiM. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,447 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 45 minutes ago, der meister said: Pretty sure most sportsmanlike refers to the player, as in PiM. That's certainly what it has turned into, no doubt. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,282 Posted January 31, 2017 Head Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, Streetlite said: That's certainly what it has turned into, no doubt. If that's the means of justifying it then that's fine for the award... not really stated anywhere though (that I can see). Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 2,000 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Leadership is essentially a popularity contest which seems fine to me. Sportsmanship sure, but I don't see any real problem with it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted January 31, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 Howabout just have the sportsmanlike award be based off forum behavior? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
der meister 3,236 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, tfong said: Howabout just have the sportsmanlike award be based off forum behavior? Then it's just another popularity contest. At least including PiMs narrows the field Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted January 31, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, der meister said: Then it's just another popularity contest. At least including PiMs narrows the field It doesn't really narrow the field so much as it restricts people from making bruisers lol. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jala 922 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Top Leader has been a popularity contest, it's hard to fairly gauge what someone does in the LR/with their team. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
der meister 3,236 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, tfong said: It doesn't really narrow the field so much as it restricts people from making bruisers lol. Do people really make players gunning for the most sportsmanlike award, though? And we do have a top two-way forward award that rewards heavy hitters. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,662 Posted January 31, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, der meister said: Do people really make players gunning for the most sportsmanlike award, though? And we do have a top two-way forward award that rewards heavy hitters. Well not really, but presuming one wants to keep the award around I mean. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 @Beketov said it best. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corco 1,260 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Keep most sportsmanlike; it gives incentive to add TPE to Discipline Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JardyB10 4,868 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, der meister said: Do people really make players gunning for the most sportsmanlike award, though? And we do have a top two-way forward award that rewards heavy hitters. I wanted Naomi Young to win it . Making your skater bigger allegedly increases his likelihood to hit people, so I made her tiny and put no points into Checking. But I was too cheap to spend points on Discipline, and wasn't a great player besides, so it never worked out... Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,282 Posted January 31, 2017 Head Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 If you guys want a popularity contest bring back Member Madness IMO http://www.vhlforum.com/index.php?/topic/4247-claimed2nd-annual-member-madness-selection-show/#comment-32025 Corco 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Jala said: Top Leader has been a popularity contest, it's hard to fairly gauge what someone does in the LR/with their team. yea people dont realize @Phil is a big asshole in the lr yet wins top leader year after year Phil 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHLFantasy 54 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Beketov said: Yes to both. Replace Leadership with Offensive Defenseman and replace Sportsmanlike with Lowest GAA. That's my opinion on the matter anyway. GAA sucks. I am just here to spread the Anti-GAA gospel. Also, i voted in lieu of my associate. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/37425-vhl-awards-poll-should-we-get-rid-of/#findComment-409587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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