Moderator Ricer13 2,796 Posted November 4, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) I have a slight complaint on the value of TPE you get for doing reviews. It takes anywhere from 30-45 minutes to properly do reviews each week. This includes reading the articles and then coming up with a review. The amount of time it takes is near to what it is to do a media spot which is worth 6 TPE. It’s also nearly the same amount of work. I think reviews are important but it would be nice to see some changes made to maybe incline people to do them on a regular basis. I suggest either changing the TPE from 4-6 TPE capped or making an increase to 3 TPE and making it uncapped. Please message me with any questions or if you are open to seriously considering making some changes to this point task. Edited November 4, 2019 by Krice13 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted November 4, 2019 Head Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) There have been many changes to the grader position and its compensation, however I don't think they are simply going to double the pay because it takes awhile to do the job. Edited November 4, 2019 by frescoelmo DollarAndADream and Ricer13 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dil 1,760 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, Krice13 said: uncapped Haha no Ricer13 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, DilIsPickle said: Haha no Stop being a pimple. @Krice13 traditionally in the VHL for things considered 'job pay' they have lower payouts than other leagues for a couple reasons: job pay used to be the only way to reach the weekly cap when it was 9, and welfare pays out more here than in other leagues. It's something that @DollarAndADream and the blues can certainly take a look at, but if you want less intensive ways to reach the cap, you can try doing a VHL.com article, VHL.com player card and press conference to get the 6 capped you need to supplement your point task. DollarAndADream and Ricer13 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Ricer13 2,796 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 It takes a while and the same amount of work as a media spot. At 2 TPE it’s not worth the time to do it, especially since there are much easier ways to gain TPE with VHL 950 and trivia. I am just thinking increasing the TPE to do reviews might create some incentive to do it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Ricer13 2,796 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, .sniffuM said: Stop being a pimple. @Krice13 traditionally in the VHL for things considered 'job pay' they have lower payouts than other leagues for a couple reasons: job pay used to be the only way to reach the weekly cap when it was 9, and welfare pays out more here than in other leagues. It's something that @DollarAndADream and the blues can certainly take a look at, but if you want less intensive ways to reach the cap, you can try doing a VHL.com article, VHL.com player card and press conference to get the 6 capped you need to supplement your point task. Yah I do the other less intensive ways for sure haha! Thanks for reaching out! I just wanted to bring up my thoughts on Reviews. If it doesn’t change it is what it is, I’ll just continue to earn TPE other ways! .sniffuM, okochastar and DollarAndADream 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted November 4, 2019 Head Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 FWIW I think the old grading system was better (and drove more league talk) but I haven't heard many complaints about the current one so people must generally like it. Ricer13 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 This current grading system is actually a lot easier than it used to be. It's still worth the same amount of TPE with the same amount of articles reviewed as well. In the past, you had to look for every single grammar mistake you could find, and every single thing had to have a title on top, picture, and look neat otherwise it didn't get a 6/6. How it is now, it seems alright to me, but it's been that way for all the years I've been a grader myself. I know in the SBA, you need to review 5 things and you get 3 TPE for the week. But you needed to be selected for the job, up until the other day where they have started allowing anyone to do it, just like the VHL. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted November 4, 2019 Head Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, DollarAndADream said: In the past, you had to look for every single grammar mistake you could find, and every single thing had to have a title on top, picture, and look neat otherwise it didn't get a 6/6. That's not blown out of proportion or anything lol Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,025 Posted November 4, 2019 Commissioner Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, frescoelmo said: That's not blown out of proportion or anything lol He’s exaggerating a tad but it did depend on the grader and some were incredibly strict. frescoelmo 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ace 3,112 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Beketov said: He’s exaggerating a tad but it did depend on the grader and some were incredibly strict. <--- NotAVHLM-GM 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enorama 2,038 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Krice13 said: I have a slight complaint on the value of TPE you get for doing reviews. It takes anywhere from 30-45 minutes to properly do reviews each week. This includes reading the articles and then coming up with a review. The amount of time it takes is near to what it is to do a media spot which is worth 6 TPE. It’s also nearly the same amount of work. I think reviews are important but it would be nice to see some changes made to maybe incline people to do them on a regular basis. I suggest either changing the TPE from 4-6 TPE capped or making an increase to 3 TPE and making it uncapped. Please message me with any questions or if you are open to seriously considering making some changes to this point task. 2 hours ago, frescoelmo said: FWIW I think the old grading system was better (and drove more league talk) but I haven't heard many complaints about the current one so people must generally like it. 1 hour ago, DollarAndADream said: This current grading system is actually a lot easier than it used to be. It's still worth the same amount of TPE with the same amount of articles reviewed as well. In the past, you had to look for every single grammar mistake you could find, and every single thing had to have a title on top, picture, and look neat otherwise it didn't get a 6/6. How it is now, it seems alright to me, but it's been that way for all the years I've been a grader myself. I know in the SBA, you need to review 5 things and you get 3 TPE for the week. But you needed to be selected for the job, up until the other day where they have started allowing anyone to do it, just like the VHL. @Sonnet with perhaps his greatest legacy Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted November 4, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, frescoelmo said: That's not blown out of proportion or anything lol I once lost a 0.25 for a misplaced comma so I got a 5.75 on my PT. Suffice to say, i went to DMs to contest it lol. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, frescoelmo said: That's not blown out of proportion or anything lol 55 minutes ago, Beketov said: He’s exaggerating a tad but it did depend on the grader and some were incredibly strict. Yeah, I'm exaggerating a little bit for sure. But some guys would deduct 1 TPE if they found like 3-4 words spelled wrong. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Ricer13 2,796 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2019 That’s brutal, my grammar can be terrible at times. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Krice13 said: That’s brutal, my grammar can be terrible at times. Counterpoint: There was more than one person who have English as their second language that greatly appreciated it and credited it towards them becoming more proficient in the language. Ricer13 and omgitshim 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator frescoelmo 1,276 Posted November 5, 2019 Head Moderator Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, tfong said: I once lost a 0.25 for a misplaced comma so I got a 5.75 on my PT. Suffice to say, i went to DMs to contest it lol. As a government employee I expect better from you 1 hour ago, DollarAndADream said: Yeah, I'm exaggerating a little bit for sure. But some guys would deduct 1 TPE if they found like 3-4 words spelled wrong. Yeah it really depended on the guy! I blame jardy Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-681994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustav 6,407 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, flyersfan1453 said: Counterpoint: There was more than one person who have English as their second language that greatly appreciated it and credited it towards them becoming more proficient in the language. "There was more than one person who have English as their second language" I actually love reviewing as a constructive way to fix grammar, and I've typed out long replies about grammar for people who have asked for them, but I'd hate the idea of losing TPE over the most minor mistakes. if the entire essay is writen like this and no attention is paid to the conventions of standard american english then ya i agree All jokes aside, I'd love for reviewers to go a bit beyond "a few grammar mistakes" and actually explain what should be changed, but I prefer the current system over something where missing a comma gets you docked. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-682012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, GustavMattias said: "There was more than one person who have English as their second language" I actually love reviewing as a constructive way to fix grammar, and I've typed out long replies about grammar for people who have asked for them, but I'd hate the idea of losing TPE over the most minor mistakes. if the entire essay is writen like this and no attention is paid to the conventions of standard american english then ya i agree All jokes aside, I'd love for reviewers to go a bit beyond "a few grammar mistakes" and actually explain what should be changed, but I prefer the current system over something where missing a comma gets you docked. I changed my sentence midway through and didn't proofread! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-682014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustav 6,407 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, flyersfan1453 said: I changed my sentence midway through and didn't proofread! NO TPE FOR YOU Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-682016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berocka 2,263 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, GustavMattias said: american english pick one Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-682034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustav 6,407 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Berocka said: pick one Crikey Berocka 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/71925-%E2%80%9Creviews%E2%80%9D-complaint/#findComment-682036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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