Frank 5,211 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 But Devise he is somewhat right, if we decreased teams he'd be on the third line and get 30 points and would be frustrated beyond belief. Which is why this whole thing is stupid. Devise would get 30 points on the 1st line though just sayin'. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Devise would finally be useful to a team then Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,942 Posted November 22, 2014 Admin Share Posted November 22, 2014 Only if we contracted and had enough players to fill all VHL and VHLM teams and thus needed another level below the VHLM. That'd be his stomping ground. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Stop being such a pussy Devise. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,211 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 I think we contract whichever teams are least popular. Make a poll! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,942 Posted November 22, 2014 Admin Share Posted November 22, 2014 I think we contract whichever teams are least popular. Make a poll! you're like a week too late Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,211 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 I know I’m throwing myself at the wolves in this situation but, my only question is where does that put guys like me who are possibly coming in, we haven't played a game in the VHL yet but we're active and been doing our part in the VHLM. Does this mean we become further irrelevant without sufficient TPE to be on the 1st or 2nd lines? If you remained active you'd work your way up to 1st line ice time. Why does everyone want to be a 1st liner right away? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,942 Posted November 22, 2014 Admin Share Posted November 22, 2014 If you remained active you'd work your way up to 1st line ice time. Why does everyone want to be a 1st liner right away? because we're pretend hockey players who actually can't play hockey for shit Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
probably not noah 346 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Can one of the poll options be 'Devise sucks' cuz that's all I'm getting out of this thread Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,211 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 Just trying to promote activity guys. Locker rooms of 15 > Locker rooms of 6. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,211 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://thumbnails.cbc.ca/maven_legacy/thumbnails/440/56/sk-wx-rage.mp3__214745.mp3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JardyB10 4,865 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 If people thought it was hard to score points as a rookie on the 2nd line trying doing it on the 3rd. Bunclewirth didn't find it hard at all! This is not the argument we need to be making though. By that logic, we should never change anything. Actually the logic is more than perfectly sound in this case, since Willcox specifically said "It would get boring in a couple seasons," while Victor said, "There is ample evidence it hasn't gotten boring in 40 seasons, so I don't know what the fuck you're even talking about," only nicer. That said, this entire thread is stupid since there's almost entirely speculation. We don't actually KNOW players would shit the bed on the third line, or how it would affect the majority of people, or any of that. Locker rooms would probably be better with more people in it. Or maybe it would be too cramped for new guys who already don't feel comfortable with a big crowd of people intimately familiar with each other. Which really would be my argument against contraction. We know what we have is good and works well. We have no idea if contraction would be better. If it was would be, then yay. But if it worse we would look like fucking idiots, and possibly die. The risk-reward is shit, imo. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Okay guys, I know I don't say this enough as commissioner but can you all shut the fuck up? It's saturday, Higginpuffs is reeling in his grave knowing you all are badmouthing him behind his back. Have some shame people. Caillean, Higgins and eaglesfan036 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denver 198 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 If you remained active you'd work your way up to 1st line ice time. Why does everyone want to be a 1st liner right away? I don’t really care what line I play on, but when you’ve had guys who were in the VHLM with 200+ TPE or have at least had two full seasons and they’re considered “Top Tier” talent coming into the VHL and the amount of hype those players get is insane. That’s actually contradictory to saying to someone like me who’s just joined “Stay Active you’ll get there eventually” that’s actually telling me, no matter what I do I won’t have much of an impact for my team because there are 3 or 4 guys ahead of me. Caillean 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Bunclewirth didn't find it hard at all! Actually the logic is more than perfectly sound in this case, since Willcox specifically said "It would get boring in a couple seasons," while Victor said, "There is ample evidence it hasn't gotten boring in 40 seasons, so I don't know what the fuck you're even talking about," only nicer. Fair enough, but I still think answers can be explained better than that. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,211 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 I don’t really care what line I play on, but when you’ve had guys who were in the VHLM with 200+ TPE or have at least had two full seasons and they’re considered “Top Tier” talent coming into the VHL and the amount of hype those players get is insane. That’s actually contradictory to saying to someone like me who’s just joined “Stay Active you’ll get there eventually” that’s actually telling me, no matter what I do I won’t have much of an impact for my team because there are 3 or 4 guys ahead of me. Fair point didn't realize people were so against playing a secondary role on a team as long as the team saw success. Munk 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,942 Posted November 22, 2014 Admin Share Posted November 22, 2014 We don't actually KNOW players would shit the bed on the third line, or how it would affect the majority of people, or any of that.There have been cases of some teams having more players than normal and it generally didn't reflect well on individual stats or in fact playoff performance. Everyone loves playing 28 minutes a game though. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-151994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
probably not noah 346 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Didn't we put this to the league before expansion and the consensus was we'd rather have breadth than depth? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I don't see the problem here... The problem was that Frank expressed himself whilst high. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,211 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 The problem was that Frank expressed himself whilst high. Phil supports me no matter what. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho 917 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 this topic covered in an upcoming Pajodcast! Advantage and Victor 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jala 922 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 There's so many half-baked statements in here lol. Fire Tortorella, Caillean and boubabi 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted November 23, 2014 Senior Admin Share Posted November 23, 2014 Fully baked in Franks case Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jala 922 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Fully baked in Franks case I think the only thing he did incorrectly was bothering to post this, it's pretty evident already that it's not going to change. I agree with him and everyone else who thinks the team should be compressed, but our opinion isn't really of any consequence. Caillean 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted November 23, 2014 Senior Admin Share Posted November 23, 2014 I think the only thing he did incorrectly was bothering to post this, it's pretty evident already that it's not going to change. I agree with him and everyone else who thinks the team should be compressed, but our opinion isn't really of any consequence. Oh, I wasn't actually trying to contribute to this. Was just stating that Frank is always fully baked Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/14581-decrease-teams-increase-roster-sizes/page/3/#findComment-152139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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