RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Guess what guys, that's what can happen when doing a multi-part trade ... People love to split their trades up into multiple parts to circumvent the cap and draft pick restriction and all that but forget that there can also be a risk to it when the other GM just says "Nah, I changed my mind" or when the GM himself is replaced. Tough luck, you tried to trick the system but got tricked yourself, deal with it. Sixersfan594, STZ and NotAVHLM-GM 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 How is that tricking the system? The league has a salary system that encourage Gms to trade players at the deadline. You can blame me for trying to fit under the 32M cap, which is somewhat my job to manage. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) The only "trick the system" should be about the cap reduction thing Edited July 20, 2015 by boubabi Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,447 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Guess what guys, that's what can happen when doing a multi-part trade ... People love to split their trades up into multiple parts to circumvent the cap and draft pick restriction and all that but forget that there can also be a risk to it when the other GM just says "Nah, I changed my mind" or when the GM himself is replaced. Tough luck, you tried to trick the system but got tricked yourself, deal with it. To be honest, a big part of the reason why I was upset with it is because the only explanation I had ever been given for why the TOR/HSK deal happened last season was something like "it had been agreed upon in the GM forum" or something like that. It's very possible that I mis-remembered what was said to me, or perhaps I misunderstood what exactly was agreed upon in the GM forum (allowing the trade, not the trade itself). That, plus things that Victor had been saying in the Stockholm LR while giving off the impression that he was speaking on behalf of the league as a messenger to us, make me believe that based on what happened then, something else should have been done here. Once that was cleared up with Draper and he finally told me what happened (thus sparking me to write a media spot so everyone else can know about it as well), I moved back to simply being annoyed and bitter about this not working out. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo 795 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 While we're talking about limbo Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I just think that these multi-part deals have become so common over the last few seasons that some people have forgotten that there is a risk to them as well and maybe it's healthy that they have a little reminder now. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo 795 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I'm dropping that Lammbock clip straight for RED (because who else is supoosed to understand this weird language..) and he ignores it. Dayum. Kendrick 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I expect a GM to stay at least a season. The case wasn't that the same GM refused half way a trade, but more than a new GM not agreeing a deal that was already in place. And since there's no rule that could have helped me, I was stuck into a very hard position Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I'm dropping that Lammbock clip straight for RED (because who else is supoosed to understand this weird language..) and he ignores it. Dayum. I appreciated it quietly stevo 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,664 Posted July 20, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2015 I just think that these multi-part deals have become so common over the last few seasons that some people have forgotten that there is a risk to them as well and maybe it's healthy that they have a little reminder now. This is the sentiment I agree with. Inherent risk in multi-part trades that GMs need to recognize. Its unlucky for Boubai to be caught in the situation, but wouldn't be "unfair". Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I expect a GM to stay at least a season. The case wasn't that the same GM refused half way a trade, but more than a new GM not agreeing a deal that was already in place. And since there's no rule that could have helped me, I was stuck into a very hard position That's exactly the kind of risk I'm talking about, you expected a GM to stay at least a season and you were wrong. You take advantage of grey areas and loopholes in the rules and have every right to do so, but the league has no reason to protect you or feel sorry for you if it goes wrong for once. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo 795 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I appreciated it quietly Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I have to overpay a deal that was already agreed upon and it made me refuse a lot of interesting deals in the offseason because I was considering my part 2 trade. So yes, it's Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) That's exactly the kind of risk I'm talking about, you expected a GM to stay at least a season and you were wrong. You take advantage of grey areas and loopholes in the rules and have every right to do so, but the league has no reason to protect you or feel sorry for you if it goes wrong for once.The blue team pushed a guy to be the Gm and than says to me that they aren't responsible for his actions? That guy was trusted enough to be part of the BoG and the head of the recruitement crew but not enough to be a GM? What a strange scenario Edited July 20, 2015 by boubabi Ninetyfourgoalie 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Grey area and loophole? Wtf are you talking about? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I have to overpay a deal that was already agreed upon and it made me refuse a lot of interesting deals in the offseason because I was considering my part 2 trade. So yes, it's I don't know how often you want me to repeat it but that simply is the inherent risk of a multi-part deal. As long as it is not posted it is not official and it can always fall through. You can't take the pros of a muti-part deal (managing you cap, getting access to draft picks from later seasons) without the cons (the risk of the deal falling through/one side backing out). The blue team pushed a guy to be the Gm and than says to me that they aren't responsible for his actions? That guy was trusted enough to be part of the BoG and the head of the recruitement crew but not enough to be a GM? What a strange scenario Well apparently you trusted him enough to make a multi-part deal with him, so why should the blue team be responsible for this but not you? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Grey area and loophole? Wtf are you talking about? Multi-part deals in general. I'm sure that when this league was set up (and when you look at hockey leagues in general) that nobody had planned for deals like this to happen, but after a while GMs started to realize that splitting their deals up into multiple parts can give them a competitive advantage so they started doing it. It's not forbidden and the league hasn't taken any measures against it, but it sure isn't what people envisioned when setting up the rules, that's why I see it as a grey area. Edited July 20, 2015 by RomanesEuntDomus Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,818 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Because I haven't name jala GM. I'm just doing my role, which is building the best team possible. You might not have access to my previous discussion with the blue team, but why should I be responsible of "training" other gms. If you feel comfortable (because it's now proven) to place jala in this position, take the consequences. It wouldn't be the first time we see one sided trade, and it won't be the last time. Trades during edgar and Corco's reign have been not so good for them and not a single word was made by the blue team. Plus, the analysis that everyone made was without knowing any facts of the trade and the reason it was made (Poole being less value in this deal) (me refusing trades involving Kowalski and Ruutu for a fair value). I find this tough to believe that anyone who had a pressure point in the upcoming decision has any real idea of the circumstances. They only looked at it as : Stockholm flucked Toronto, lets refuse it. If it would have been Advantage or any other Gm, everyone would have sucked his dick for his glory Edited July 20, 2015 by boubabi Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,447 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 It's not forbidden and the league hasn't taken any measures against it I'm pretty sure it used to be worse, where it was actually enforced that GM's could make deals where the future deal was a part of the original deal. Then the VHL made a rule to stop that. But yeah, you're mostly right. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 If it would have been Advantage or any other Gm, everyone would have sucked his dick for his glory Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I'd suck Advantage's dick for the glory. Kendrick 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 11,032 Posted July 20, 2015 Admin Share Posted July 20, 2015 One thing. How did the league force jala to become Toronto GM? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Three pages in and I still don't see any of you fuckers doing the limbo. You're all bullshit. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 One thing. How did the league force jala to become Toronto GM?Dunno Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/22190-jerrick-poole-left-in-limbo/page/2/#findComment-245955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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