Game of Thrones

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10 hours ago, Victor said:

Please don't let Davos die.

Soooooo you just signed his death warrant. Thanks.

I came to the realization the other day that King Robert was actually a pretty underrated King. Since his death all hell has broken loose in Westeros. Families are being slaughtered, wars all over the map and King's Landing is a shit show. During his reign apparently nothing crazy happened. All the established houses stayed pretty established, children managed to grow up mostly unbothered by the harsh realities of life on that continent and all seemed well. He doesn't get enough credit for that.

 

And that led me to come to the next realization that Lady Olenna is more right about Cersei than she pointed out. Not only is Cersei responsible for what's happening in the current situation, but she's quite literally responsible for everything that's happened following Robert's death. By killing her husband she's either directly or indirectly led to the death of practically everyone. She's the GOT version of the black death. She's a living grim reaper who destroys everything she touches whether she intends to or not.

[Devise 4,475]

12 minutes ago, Shaka said:

I came to the realization the other day that King Robert was actually a pretty underrated King. Since his death all hell has broken loose in Westeros. Families are being slaughtered, wars all over the map and King's Landing is a shit show. During his reign apparently nothing crazy happened. All the established houses stayed pretty established, children managed to grow up mostly unbothered by the harsh realities of life on that continent and all seemed well. He doesn't get enough credit for that.

 

Eh, I can't really agree with any of this. Most people in this society were perfectly fine with the level of peace they earned, especially after such a big war in the first place. I mean really the only "good time" during Roberts reign was post war when he gets the Throne, until his death. So only his generation really got this level of peace. And was it really because of him? Or was it more, we just had a war, but still regardless all these houses have all these issues boiling under the surf and lazy ass Robert can't be bothered to deal with any of it. In a lot of ways, had he of been a better more diligent ruler, something even Dany has struggled with, half the wars going on now may not of happened. I mean let's be real, most of the larger conflict in this series is started, motivated, and pushed by smaller groups of very self important royalties, all from notable families. Lannisters, Freys, Boltons, etc. And it's not like horrible shit still wasn't happening during his reign, it very much was...just not on an official level. I mean the Lannisters had years to basically plot and set up their entire take over of the Throne, all under Roberts nose. 

 

Yeah, he was a bloody awful ruler truly. So I disagree. 

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13 minutes ago, Mr. Power said:

 

Eh, I can't really agree with any of this. Most people in this society were perfectly fine with the level of peace they earned, especially after such a big war in the first place. I mean really the only "good time" during Roberts reign was post war when he gets the Throne, until his death. So only his generation really got this level of peace. And was it really because of him? Or was it more, we just had a war, but still regardless all these houses have all these issues boiling under the surf and lazy ass Robert can't be bothered to deal with any of it. In a lot of ways, had he of been a better more diligent ruler, something even Dany has struggled with, half the wars going on now may not of happened. I mean let's be real, most of the larger conflict in this series is started, motivated, and pushed by smaller groups of very self important royalties, all from notable families. Lannisters, Freys, Boltons, etc. And it's not like horrible shit still wasn't happening during his reign, it very much was...just not on an official level. I mean the Lannisters had years to basically plot and set up their entire take over of the Throne, all under Roberts nose. 

 

Yeah, he was a bloody awful ruler truly. So I disagree. 

 

Fair points.

 

Now compare him to the king before him and the two kings after.

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Everything bad that's happened is because of hot pie

 

that bitch

[Victor 10,991]

6 hours ago, Shaka said:

 

Fair points.

 

Now compare him to the king before him and the two kings after.

Tommen's a very weak king but if he had strong advisers he would have listened to them. Tywin died too soon. There'd be no High Sparrow if Tywin was still around.

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1 hour ago, Victor said:

Tommen's a very weak king but if he had strong advisers he would have listened to them. Tywin died too soon. There'd be no High Sparrow if Tywin was still around.

I don't doubt he could be a decent king if he had strong advisors or wasn't 12. I'm just saying the facts are what they are. Of the last 4 kings one tried to slaughter his people, one was a sadistic maniac, one in a short time has managed to allow his queen to be locked up, his mom escorted naked through the streets of King's Landing and is now losing power of the city to a religious zealot. The other is King Robert.  Sure Jon Arryn and Stannis held the Seven Kingdoms together while Robert ate and drank his way to obesity, but I would take his "Reign" over the other three in a heartbeat.

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4 minutes ago, Shaka said:

I don't doubt he could be a decent king if he had strong advisors or wasn't 12. I'm just saying the facts are what they are. Of the last 4 kings one tried to slaughter his people, one was a sadistic maniac, one in a short time has managed to allow his queen to be locked up, his mom escorted naked through the streets of King's Landing and is now losing power of the city to a religious zealot. The other is King Robert.  Sure Jon Arryn and Stannis held the Seven Kingdoms together while Robert ate and drank his way to obesity, but I would take his "Reign" over the other three in a heartbeat.

I think we've moved away from the point. Doubt anyone could argue Robert wasn't the best of the four but you called him underrated. Don't think anyone is saying he was a complete disaster of a thing or if they do, it's qualified by referring to the even bigger disaster that everything else is.

 

Robert is rated quite reasonably imo.

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2 minutes ago, Victor said:

I think we've moved away from the point. Doubt anyone could argue Robert wasn't the best of the four but you called him underrated. Don't think anyone is saying he was a complete disaster of a thing or if they do, it's qualified by referring to the even bigger disaster that everything else is.

 

Robert is rated quite reasonably imo.

 

For what it's worth that was the point that I originally made. It's my opinion that Robert is viewed poorly as a King when I feel the continent, and it's people, were in a far better position during his reign than any other recently. That makes me believe I, and possibly other people, underrated him. Clearly you and Power disagree. Fair enough.

 

 

[Devise 4,475]

2 hours ago, Shaka said:

For what it's worth that was the point that I originally made. It's my opinion that Robert is viewed poorly as a King when I feel the continent, and it's people, were in a far better position during his reign than any other recently. That makes me believe I, and possibly other people, underrated him. Clearly you and Power disagree. Fair enough.

 

 

 

Eh what gets me most about his reign, is how connected his generation was to past atrocities, and crazy things for that matter. To him, and his era like Ned, Jamie, Jon and Stannis, the idea of a Targayen controlling a city on the power of Dragons isn't just something out of a fantasy book. They really sell early in the series/books the kids of these families when they get to King's Landing digging through all this history. Robert and his generation were part of that history. So how could they be naive enough to assume none of it would ever come back? They hear the rumors and mumblings of Dany and Dragons and they wave their hand. This is a generation that KNEW that stuff was real. It just feels like his generation was the turning point you know? His reign really contributed to what we see now, and I think that is part of the reason why he was a poor King. 

 

It's one of the key reasons I think Dany NEEDS to meet up with Jon Snow. Yeah she has Tyrion, but nobody other than Jon seems to really "get it" yet. White Walkers are going to kill you all you don't stop with your petty family squabbles and work together to build a bloody empire of defenses. That isn't debatable, that is a fact. In order to do that you need to work on getting people to work together. It felt like Roberts idea of getting families to work together was to just marry daughters to random houses and be like "meh good". It's intentional but everything about his reign screams lazy, ignorant, entitled. In a lot of ways Robert mirrors actual politicians from on our worlds. He's worked his way to the top and doesn't give two shits about anything or anyone. He's going to enjoy his time. And he did, and I hope he's enjoyed it well because his lack of dedication and ignorance has left all of Westeros unprepared and Ned Starks bastard with a bunch of Wildings and a very damaged daughter of his as the only people trying to you know, actually prepare this continent and it's people for the hell that is coming down from the North. 

[JardyB10 4,868]

Robert certainly could have saved himself and the realm a lot of trouble if he could have just gotten along with Cersei. But the truth is basically every king in history except Aegon I, Jahaerys I, and Daeron had some sort of fatal flaw. It sucks because Robert ended up being a bad/average king, when he easily could have been a good or even great king. There's been plenty worse than him though.

[Victor 10,991]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Power said:

This is a generation that KNEW that stuff was real.

Not really. All they saw were dragon skulls in the throne room and as Tywin once said to Joffrey, the smallest ones were the size of his fist or something. So to them dragons were an extinct myth which failed at coming back before.

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31 minutes ago, Victor said:

Not really. All they saw were dragon skulls in the throne room and as Tywin once said to Joffrey, the smallest ones were the size of his fist or something. So to them dragons were an extinct myth which failed at coming back before.

 

They kind of make it off like Tywin's (and that generations) parents and grandparents were the ones involved in wars with Dragons and crazy shit like that. I'll get that they think that time is done, but not that they don't give some realm of credibility to that stuff being real. I mean Brans nan lady or whatever was the one always calling him Bran the Builder from the old times. These old people may of seemed a bit crazy to our current gen, but there is no way the Starks/Tywins/Jamies didn't grow up with people who had been apart of those conflicts. And for the record, Tywin is hardly the issue. As of early seasons he already treats Dany like a threat and wants to try to assassinate her. He also seems to be one of the few who gives the Dragons some level of "they could be real." What I'm more talking about is mentalities like Roberts that existed where they had an idea way more could be going on in the world, through their own parents/grandparents history, and once he becomes King he decides to basically ignore everything. 

Edited June 19, 2016 by Mr. Power

[Devise 4,475]

In an unrelated post. Tonights ep has me pretty hype. I know most of the internet was down on the last ep, mostly because of off screen fighting and a lot of people seemed to hate that Arya actually wanted to be Arya and go back home. I don't know how a person could hate that, but people I talked to thought it somehow belittled her journey or the time she spent in Bravos. But I feel it only adds to her characters struggle. Like many of the Starks her battle has been finding herself again, so she can be ready for what comes next. The mystery of what comes next is pretty awesome for her story.

 

Ramsay to die this season? Who else thinks so? Any other big deaths? Tonight? Hype?  

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Just now, Mr. Power said:

In an unrelated post. Tonights ep has me pretty hype. I know most of the internet was down on the last ep, mostly because of off screen fighting and a lot of people seemed to hate that Arya actually wanted to be Arya and go back home. I don't know how a person could hate that, but people I talked to thought it somehow belittled her journey or the time she spent in Bravos. But I feel it only adds to her characters struggle. Like many of the Starks her battle has been finding herself again, so she can be ready for what comes next. The mystery of what comes next is pretty awesome for her story.

 

Ramsay to die this season? Who else thinks so? Any other big deaths? Tonight? Hype?  

 

 

I'm stoked. I host a Game of Thrones watch party that averages 10-15 people. It's really sweet to get together, drink some, hang out and then turn the lights off and the entire lot of us shuts up and dives into GOT. After the show we probably spend an hour or so just talking about what just happened, what might happen. It's a fun way to watch. This episode should be nuts. Bryan Cogman already said season six has definitely the biggest action sequence yet in the series and he must be talking about tonight's episode. I expect almost the entire episode to be devoted to the way in the same way "Hardhome" was.

My death pool money is on Wun Wun, Thormund, Ramsay and the kicker being either Lyanna Mormont or Sansa Stark's unfortunate demise. Lyanna fits the mold of being introduced as a strong character only to die an episode later or in that very episode. Sophie Turner has repeatedly and strongly confirmed her character surviving the season which makes me a tad afraid that's not the case.

[Victor 10,991]

I am quite confident this episode will be the equivalent of Blackwater (S2E9) and the battle at the Wall (S4E9). As for deaths, unfortunately I expect only Ramsay will be one I'm looking forward, with 3-4 others cancelling it out.

[JardyB10 4,868]

Tonight is bitter sweet because I'm so stoked for the episode to air, but I can't watch it until tomorrow. I expect Dhaka is right with Ramsay, Wun Wun, and Tormund.

[Devise 4,475]

Hold on let me collect myself for thoughts on tonights episode. But my initial reaction?

 

[BOOM 8,806]

I have a new favorite breed of dog.

[gorlab 4,321]

wun wun my nig why it had to be himmm 

[boubabi 4,725]

Brutal

[Shaka 228]

Wun Wun deserves a statue outside Winterfell now. What a beast.

[Victor 10,991]

That was harsh, I liked the episode. But, I think it was the weakest of the battle episodes yet. Maybe too predictable? I dunno, I feel a bit unfulfilled. And I don't like the question marks over lack of Stark male heir now.

[eaglesfan036 4,604]

The battle scenes were awesome, some of the goriest and best battle scenes I have ever seen, and they really did a great job of showing how gory battles actually can look like. My only problem with it is how predictable it was. Did anyone really think Littlefinger wouldn't come in at the end and save them at this point?

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2 hours ago, eaglesfan036 said:

The battle scenes were awesome, some of the goriest and best battle scenes I have ever seen, and they really did a great job of showing how gory battles actually can look like. My only problem with it is how predictable it was. Did anyone really think Littlefinger wouldn't come in at the end and save them at this point?

 

I was too caught up in the battle to think of Littlefinger. Yes, I'm an idiot.

[DollarAndADream 3,357]

2 hours ago, eaglesfan036 said:

The battle scenes were awesome, some of the goriest and best battle scenes I have ever seen, and they really did a great job of showing how gory battles actually can look like. My only problem with it is how predictable it was. Did anyone really think Littlefinger wouldn't come in at the end and save them at this point?

It was basically guaranteed, although a little late.

 

I kept thinking while everyone was dying...when the fuck is Littlefinger coming. He showed up at just the right moment, which is a little predictable.