Kendrick 4,741 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, Will said: but if everyone's playing two more seasons you're getting more time and TPE? It off-sets Yes and no. You're right, but at the same time it means you are getting regressed sooner in your career by say...5 weeks (1 week per season x 5 years of your career before regression) means you earn about 60 TPE less in a 5 year career gearing up for regression. Only TPE you're gaining is the TPE you gain from having a larger carryover Banackock and NotAVHLM-GM 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted February 28, 2018 Senior Admin Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kendrick said: Yes and no. You're right, but at the same time it means you are getting regressed sooner in your career by say...5 weeks (1 week per season x 5 years of your career before regression) means you earn about 60 TPE less in a 5 year career gearing up for regression. Only TPE you're gaining is the TPE you gain from having a larger carryover Yes fair enough, I was saying with the assumption regression would be adjusted anyways Like even if you pushed the first season of depreciation up to a persons 7th season instead of 6th, it would balance out the shorter seasons IMO Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Will said: Yes fair enough, I was saying with the assumption regression would be adjusted anyways Like even if you pushed the first season of depreciation up to a persons 7th season instead of 6th, it would balance out the shorter seasons IMO That last past would be the off-set. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,058 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Will said: but if everyone's playing two more seasons you're getting more time and TPE? It off-sets Yes, but the gains wouldn't be there. from seasons 1-5 you'd gain 1/3 less than normal. So essentially regression would hit you even harder, no? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,058 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Quik said: Yeah, essentially cut the season shorter, and give 1-2 weeks where the entire TPE cap is doubled to 24, to make up for the week(s) lost to shortening the season @Banackock read the whole post goddammit How would you gain the extra TPE to hit 24 in a week? 6 (media spot), 2 VHL.com, 2 press conference, 2 job. What else? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellBillyXIII 61 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, Banackock said: How would you gain the extra TPE to hit 24 in a week? 6 (media spot), 2 VHL.com, 2 press conference, 2 job. What else? Maybe make tasks that fall by the wayside (reviews especially) worth more? Maybe for reviews (just as an example) raise the tpe cap for that one week. It would get people more tpe for the missed weeks and clean up the boards real quick. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,058 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, HellBillyXIII said: Maybe make tasks that fall by the wayside (reviews especially) worth more? Maybe for reviews (just as an example) raise the tpe cap for that one week. It would get people more tpe for the missed weeks and clean up the boards real quick. Sorta silly to hand out double weeks just to have shorter seasons. Maybe reviews or a year end point task or something. Idk. The seasons already feel short enough. What's wrong with them now? People say the playoffs is a "crap shoot" and most awards are for regular season anyway (GMoTY etc). So people should enjoy a decent sized regular season. I don't see why would she change it. It's not a huge thing that'll make or break recruitment or anything that pushes members away. If you're bored, it's not the season length - it's likely just you. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellBillyXIII 61 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Banackock said: Sorta silly to hand out double weeks just to have shorter seasons. Maybe reviews or a year end point task or something. Idk. The seasons already feel short enough. What's wrong with them now? People say the playoffs is a "crap shoot" and most awards are for regular season anyway (GMoTY etc). So people should enjoy a decent sized regular season. I don't see why would she change it. It's not a huge thing that'll make or break recruitment or anything that pushes members away. If you're bored, it's not the season length - it's likely just you. I dont even know how long the seasons are but they definitely move at a pretty good pace in the vhlm. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Banackock said: How would you gain the extra TPE to hit 24 in a week? 6 (media spot), 2 VHL.com, 2 press conference, 2 job. What else? Make it a full doubles week. PT = 12, VHL.com = 4, PC= 4, Reviewing = doubled Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,058 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, Quik said: Make it a full doubles week. PT = 12, VHL.com = 4, PC= 4, Reviewing = doubled I mean, maybe.. just seems a little silly to be handing out double TPE for one or two weeks just to shorten the season. I don't really care - but my vote was no. I see zero wrong with the season lengths now. The off-seasons fly by - as do the seasons. Feels like yesterday it was the finals and now we're what? 20% of the way through another season? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symmetrik 102 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'm definitely for it, getting days with a single game is boring as hell. Spade18 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,058 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Symmetrik said: I'm definitely for it, getting days with a single game is boring as hell. IMO then, don't shorten the length by actual real-life days, but just add 10 games to the season and make them 82 game seasons. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, Banackock said: I mean, maybe.. just seems a little silly to be handing out double TPE for one or two weeks just to shorten the season. I don't really care - but my vote was no. I see zero wrong with the season lengths now. The off-seasons fly by - as do the seasons. Feels like yesterday it was the finals and now we're what? 20% of the way through another season? Meh, most people feel the season is too long. If we do go with a shorter season, giving a full doubles week or 2 is a way to combat the loss of TPE... Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Personally, if we can shorten the regular season, still get the same amount of TPE, and keep the playoffs/off-season the same length, that’s the best way to go. I wouldn’t look to increase the off-season, since dead periods are hell for member retention, imo. It keeps people from burning out. If you cut 2 weeks from each season, that means a standard season career (8 + 1.3 pre-draft) would would be about 19 weeks shorter. That’s about 4 months. I actually think it would do wonders for member retention. Spade18 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Quik said: Personally, if we can shorten the regular season, still get the same amount of TPE, and keep the playoffs/off-season the same length, that’s the best way to go. I wouldn’t look to increase the off-season, since dead periods are hell for member retention, imo. It keeps people from burning out. If you cut 2 weeks from each season, that means a standard season career (8 + 1.3 pre-draft) would would be about 19 weeks shorter. That’s about 4 months. I actually think it would do wonders for member retention. Thats what I was thinking more action = more entertainment. The idea came from my friend who played here for a bit @jvd told me yesterday that the game was too slow and boring so I thought how would we make that better. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 I’m surprised this is actually a discussion instead of the normal flame war after 5 comments. Spade18 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Beaviss said: I’m surprised this is actually a discussion instead of the normal flame war after 5 comments. beavis you idiot why would you suggest something so stupid. Spade18 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheLastOlympian07 said: beavis you idiot why would you suggest something so stupid. Spade18 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka 228 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I know nothing about if this should be shorter or not. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 What's the proposed benefit? I'm not sure there's a convincing argument from what I've read in here thus far. There should already be a double's week every season as far as I'm concerned Banackock 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, sterling said: What's the proposed benefit? I'm not sure there's a convincing argument from what I've read in here thus far. There should already be a double's week every season as far as I'm concerned The benefit would be less stale season as some people believe it to be to long and or drawn out. If we play an entire season in less days than the pace of the site would increase thus increasing activity(theoretically). I brought this up beacuse one of my buddies mentioned it to me how the site was too slow paced and gets stale quickly during the season. (I agreed) so I made this to see where other people’s thoughts are. TLDR: Member rentention due to less stale weeks on the site. Edited February 28, 2018 by Beaviss Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandar 302 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Trimming the season by a week could be okay, but as someone who has GM experience in other leagues, that one week can really make a difference for the worse. Shorter seasons means faster turnarounds on free agency, contract extensions, trades, drafts, finance sheets, the whole nine yards. It can make it grueling. If the concern is "not enough sims each day" you could always combat that by simming 3 days a week instead of 5-6. Each sim would have 4 games, assuming a 6 week regular season. But, I assume people would rather have more sims with fewer games than the other way around. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,058 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Beaviss said: The benefit would be less stale season as some people believe it to be to long and or drawn out. If we play an entire season in less days than the pace of the site would increase thus increasing activity(theoretically). I brought this up beacuse one of my buddies mentioned it to me how the site was too slow paced and gets stale quickly during the season. (I agreed) so I made this to see where other people’s thoughts are. TLDR: Member rentention due to less stale weeks on the site. It's stale for some. Can't appease all. We just ended a season 2 weeks ago and are already 20% through the next regular season? 90% of VHL awards are for the regular season. One BoG member was quoted as calling the playoffs a "crap shoot". I've heard a couple members say the regular season is more important and decides to "champion" better over 72 games than a 7 game playoff series. In fact, I'm thinking it was the same BoG. The regular season is perfect. If anything, make it 82 games. If you want a 2 weeks season, join the casual league known as the GOMHL. Lol Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, Banackock said: It's stale for some. Can't appease all. We just ended a season 2 weeks ago and are already 20% through the next regular season? 90% of VHL awards are for the regular season. One BoG member was quoted as calling the playoffs a "crap shoot". I've heard a couple members say the regular season is more important and decides to "champion" better over 72 games than a 7 game playoff series. In fact, I'm thinking it was the same BoG. The regular season is perfect. If anything, make it 82 games. If you want a 2 weeks season, join the casual league known as the GOMHL. Lol I don’t want it that short I’m just say put one more simming day per day makes the season go a tiny bit quicker more to discuss (more games) I would also like more games a season I really like the 82 game seasons. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Lol at the people shooting Beaviss' suggestion down, and instead suggesting exactly what the post said... People should have read what he meant by "shorter". I wouldn't mind going to 3 games per sim. That leaves less time to change lines, but it's still fine with me. Spade18 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/47475-shorter-seasons/page/2/#findComment-506680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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