Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted October 18, 2015 Senior Admin Share Posted October 18, 2015 As you have probably noticed before reading this, the instant messaging system is no longer active. We've been debating about it a lot and we ultimately decided to disable it in favour of upgrading to the new and improved version of IPB. Key factors in our decision were: (1) The cost of the chat system is by far our biggest expense (2) There was no way for us to upgrade to the new version without disabling chat (3) Many members believe the chat may actually take away from the forum as a whole We know it's a big change, and we will be actively looking for alternatives, but for now the chat system will be disabled. Expect to see the forum upgrade take place sometime within the next week or so. Additionally, if there happens to be any downtime within the next week or so, it will likely be because of the upgrade. It has a lot of new features and a more modern/easy to use design, so we're excited to implement it. Higgins and I will do our best to answer any questions that you may have if they are posted below. -The Blue Team boubabi 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 yay Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylar 219 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 how am i supposed to make online love with eagles now? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,598 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Awful decision. Chat is half the reason I come on here. Chat is what separates us from other sim leagues, as we are the only one with chat. How does an extra useful function take anything away from the league? BeanSobie, Caillean, Ahma and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 how am i supposed to make online love with eagles now? This is the kind of stuff that should be happening publicly. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,426 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Awful decision. Chat is half the reason I come on here. Chat is what separates us from other sim leagues, as we are the only one with chat. How does an extra useful function take anything away from the league? It takes money away from the league, for one. I don't by the "it takes away from activity" part but some people believe it does. I do remember previous times when it has been down, though, people were clamoring for the issue to be resolved (well, as much as people clamor around here anyway). Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,598 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 so how am i supposed to do trade neogotiaions without taking half an hour when a noob logs in and has a billion questions, are we just going to send a billion pms Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,598 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 raaaaaaagequit Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreg 930 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Didn't talk to anyone any ways. BACK TO GETTING PMs Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Senior Admin Share Posted October 18, 2015 so how am i supposed to do trade neogotiaions without taking half an hour when a noob logs in and has a billion questions, are we just going to send a billion pms Every GM in the league has skype for the draft so it shouldn't be a big deal for you to do trade negotiations. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreg 930 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 so how am i supposed to do trade neogotiaions without taking half an hour when a noob logs in and has a billion questions, are we just going to send a billion pms BACK TO MSN!!!!! like the old days BeanSobie, DollarAndADream, JardyB10 and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I love it. I can't believe we've had it this long if it is indeed "by far our biggest expense". That's fucking ridiculous. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast 887 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I understand wanting to rid of it if it's a big cost, but with the amount of donations this site gets... did it really cost that much to be an issue? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Senior Admin Share Posted October 18, 2015 I understand wanting to rid of it if it's a big cost, but with the amount of donations this site gets... did it really cost that much to be an issue? We could have sustained the cost, yes, but it's not like we're just going to sit on the money saved by removing it. The hope is to put it into recruitment efforts and potentially new features for the upgraded forum. Additionally, the second and third issues I posted remain regardless of the cost. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Still, a community chat would do the job. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanSobie 91 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Time to break out the old AIM passwords Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I disagree with this for most of the reasons Eagles posted above. Chat was my primary means of communication on this site, whether it was talking with teammates, negotiating trades, or welcoming new members into the league. I would imagine there will be a shout box of some sort then, but I don't think they accomplish the same thing at all. If I wanted to ask a question in a shout box or just talk to people, why wouldn't I just make a post instead? As for the cost, yes, it may be our most expensive aspect of the forum, but are we really in the position where we need to be cutting costs? As for adding this money to recruitment, we've been saying we'd do this for seasons now, and for a variety of reasons, it either hasn't been done or has failed. I think everyone can agree that we need to step up our recruiting efforts, but I don't see why we should take away parts of our site which could be a draw to the league in order to do this. Caillean 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,598 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Every GM in the league has skype for the draft so it shouldn't be a big deal for you to do trade negotiations. The new skype is so dumb and it updates every 5 secondsi cant even use it halp Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Well I don't like that much :/ Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Senior Admin Share Posted October 18, 2015 I disagree with this for most of the reasons Eagles posted above. Chat was my primary means of communication on this site, whether it was talking with teammates, negotiating trades, or welcoming new members into the league. I would imagine there will be a shout box of some sort then, but I don't think they accomplish the same thing at all. If I wanted to ask a question in a shout box or just talk to people, why wouldn't I just make a post instead? As for the cost, yes, it may be our most expensive aspect of the forum, but are we really in the position where we need to be cutting costs? As for adding this money to recruitment, we've been saying we'd do this for seasons now, and for a variety of reasons, it either hasn't been done or has failed. I think everyone can agree that we need to step up our recruiting efforts, but I don't see why we should take away parts of our site which could be a draw to the league in order to do this. Maybe making a post instead is a better option? The cost was only part of it. The real reason we started looking into removing it was because it has to go in order for us to upgrade which, in fact, could be adding to the site rather than taking parts away. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 4.1 is so dope Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 As for adding this money to recruitment, we've been saying we'd do this for seasons now, and for a variety of reasons, it either hasn't been done or has failed. I think everyone can agree that we need to step up our recruiting efforts, Well you were in a position to do something about that as well. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Well you were in a position to do something about that as well. What is your point? Yes, the recruiting I've tried to do has not worked. I'm not disputing that. Do you have any constructive points to make to the discussion? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachReilly 688 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 hmmm - not a fan to be honest of removal. need to bring it back somehow - trade negotiations are done through this only and i don't plan on signing on skype to talk trade. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/24943-the-chat-system/#findComment-278608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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