Higgins 3,618 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Vote: Goaltender A vs. Goaltender B REGULAR SEASON STATISTICS PLAYOFF STATISTICS TEAM AWARDS WON INDIVIDUAL AWARDS WON OTHER INFORMATION Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 A because of save percentage obviously CowboyinAmerica 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I'd have to go with A because of save percentage and shutouts, but I mean it's so close it's hard to really say. Do you have shots faced info on these goalies? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,618 Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 I decided to dig a bit deeper. Since goalie B only made the playoffs 6 of 8 seasons, these 2 seasons were in the 1st and 3rd seasons of B's career. Therefore missing the playoffs as a less developed goalie, it may skew the numbers. I took out the playoffs from seasons 1 and 3 from goalie A to show relative data over 6 playoff seasons at the same 'age' points. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,938 Posted May 16, 2016 Admin Share Posted May 16, 2016 Tukio. But Labatte is close. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,618 Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: I'd have to go with A because of save percentage and shutouts, but I mean it's so close it's hard to really say. Do you have shots faced info on these goalies? A - 13686 shots against B - 13662 shots against Hope that helps! Molholt 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Higgins said: A - 13686 shots against B - 13662 shots against Hope that helps! Haha not particularly, but thank you! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) B, shutouts. More losses than the A, so that might mean the team in front of him was not as good as the A had, which might make those shutouts slightly more impressive. Not that big of a difference between the two though Edited May 16, 2016 by jRuutu Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evrydayimbyfuglien 600 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Are supposed to say why we voted the way we did? If so, I voted A because B had more shutouts but a higher GAA meaning when he wasn't getting a shutout, he was letting more goals in per game, even higher than his GAA indicates. IDK, makes sense to me and I'm not changing my vote now. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,618 Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, evrydayimbyfuglien said: Are supposed to say why we voted the way we did? If so, I voted A because B had more shutouts but a higher GAA meaning when he wasn't getting a shutout, he was letting more goals in per game, even higher than his GAA indicates. IDK, makes sense to me and I'm not changing my vote now. Sure I appreciate the rational for each vote, it could also help me in the future when comparing different goalies. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 19 minutes ago, Victor said: Tukio. But Labatte is close. Taco!!!!!!!!!!!1 Will 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evrydayimbyfuglien 600 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, Higgins said: Sure I appreciate the rational for each vote, it could also help me in the future when comparing different goalies. No matter how flawed lol Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 28 minutes ago, jRuutu said: B, shutouts. More losses than the A, so that might mean the team in front of him was not as good as the A had, which might make those shutouts slightly more impressive. Not that big of a difference between the two though If you're going by shutouts to determine your vote, we are in for a rough debate. Brian Boucher was an average goaltender in the NHL, he had 6 shutouts in a row, but no one will tell you he was a great goalie. To me shutouts is an added stat but not needed in the debate. Awards is tough because of the era they may have come from. Top Rookie can mean a very weak class too. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 A. The stats are close, but not only does A have more wins in less games, A has a way better individual award cabinet. While the big difference in career playoff save percentage helps B, it's not enough to push him ahead of A with awards. Two Slobo's, Two MVP's as a goalie to go along with two Shaws? Plus finishing .924 career wise in save percentage and under 2.00 GAA career wise? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jRuutu 2,464 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Just now, Kendrick said: If you're going by shutouts to determine your vote, we are in for a rough debate. Brian Boucher was an average goaltender in the NHL, he had 6 shutouts in a row, but no one will tell you he was a great goalie. To me shutouts is an added stat but not needed in the debate. Awards is tough because of the era they may have come from. Top Rookie can mean a very weak class too. I agree, these two are just too close, I have no idea what to look for really The bit about awards as well, hard to say what kind of competition they had for the awards? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, jRuutu said: I agree, these two are just too close, I have no idea what to look for really The bit about awards as well, hard to say what kind of competition they had for the awards? I think for me there are a few things that separate them. Personal awards with more weight in the league, save percentage and less games. Shutouts are like the shutouts by a Defensive backfield. Yes its sweet when they don't allow any points in games, but if they are against the Browns its not much of a feat haha Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagger 2,722 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Well that's pretty difficult on the face of it. I think it'd be interesting to see a season-by-season breakdown of the two. With A winning all the awards in 2 seasons (I imagine he won all of them in the same two seasons?) and the stats being this close, that might imply that A had less seasons where he performed better than B. I think just off what's written here though, I'd go with A. Ha, look at me talking like I have a clue what any of this means, WHERE THE PIMS AT!? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evrydayimbyfuglien 600 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Higgins said: A - 13686 shots against B - 13662 shots against Hope that helps! Are these regular season? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,618 Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, evrydayimbyfuglien said: Are these regular season? yes evrydayimbyfuglien 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotAVHLM-GM 1,858 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 LeBeau, so answer C Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evrydayimbyfuglien 600 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) FWIW...without shutouts, A's GAA is 2.281, Goalie B's is 2.328. Math: (Shots Against x (1.00-SV%))/(GP-SO) It's not perfect since it doesn't take into account OT games. So if we had minutes played, I could break it down a little better. As it stands, this is Goals Per Game, regardless of minutes in the game. Edited May 16, 2016 by evrydayimbyfuglien Higgins 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, evrydayimbyfuglien said: FWIW...without shutouts, A's GAA is 2.281, Goalie B's is 2.328. Math: (Shots Against x (1.00-SV%))/(GP-SO) It's not perfect since it doesn't take into account OT games. So if we had minutes played, I could break it down a little better. As it stands, this is Goals Per Game, regardless of minutes in the game. nerd. evrydayimbyfuglien 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,745 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Khabibulin. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,208 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 That depends which player is yours? Will 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I vote New York shouldn't have wasted cap space signing goalie A Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/30432-vote-who-was-better/#findComment-339674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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