BOOM 8,745 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Meute point. Squinty and Victor 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 CAN WE JUST CLARIFY THAT IT IS IN FACT, MOOT POINT, AND NOT MUTE POINT Can we get this in the admin buttons or whatever. Like "FISTED ANALLY BY A CIRCUS MONKEY" is fisted anally…. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Can we get this in the admin buttons or whatever. Like "FISTED ANALLY BY A CIRCUS MONKEY" is fisted anally…. That's a meute point #boom Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grumpy Bear 347 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I have a new suggestion that has not been proposed yet. Get rid of carry over, get rid of doubles first three PT's, get rid of achievement tracker, let all players start on an even playing field and then let's see who creates the best player. Guarantee this would make things more exciting for recreates and new members. While you're at it get rid of that welfare bullshit as well. This suggestion may cause the league to drop back down to 8 teams which will seem really bad to most but I think it's best in the long run. There has been so much shit added to this league since I joined that only the people here from the first few seasons and admin can even keep track of it. Who thinks needlessly throwing more shit into the league is the solution? Please raise your hand if you do, then repeatedly punch yourself in the face. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I have a new suggestion that has not been proposed yet. Get rid of carry over, get rid of doubles first three PT's, get rid of achievement tracker, let all players start on an even playing field and then let's see who creates the best player. Guarantee this would make things more exciting for recreates and new members. While you're at it get rid of that welfare bullshit as well. This suggestion may cause the league to drop back down to 8 teams which will seem really bad to most but I think it's best in the long run. There has been so much shit added to this league since I joined that only the people here from the first few seasons and admin can even keep track of it. Who thinks needlessly throwing more shit into the league is the solution? Please raise your hand if you do, then repeatedly punch yourself in the face. I think you're alone on this one Corco 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsday 4,130 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I have a new suggestion that has not been proposed yet. Get rid of carry over, get rid of doubles first three PT's, get rid of achievement tracker, let all players start on an even playing field and then let's see who creates the best player. Guarantee this would make things more exciting for recreates and new members. While you're at it get rid of that welfare bullshit as well. This suggestion may cause the league to drop back down to 8 teams which will seem really bad to most but I think it's best in the long run. There has been so much shit added to this league since I joined that only the people here from the first few seasons and admin can even keep track of it. Who thinks needlessly throwing more shit into the league is the solution? Please raise your hand if you do, then repeatedly punch yourself in the face. Yeah, good luck with that one. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I have a new suggestion that has not been proposed yet. Get rid of carry over, get rid of doubles first three PT's, get rid of achievement tracker, let all players start on an even playing field and then let's see who creates the best player. Guarantee this would make things more exciting for recreates and new members. While you're at it get rid of that welfare bullshit as well. This suggestion may cause the league to drop back down to 8 teams which will seem really bad to most but I think it's best in the long run. There has been so much shit added to this league since I joined that only the people here from the first few seasons and admin can even keep track of it. Who thinks needlessly throwing more shit into the league is the solution? Please raise your hand if you do, then repeatedly punch yourself in the face. Of all the things to pick to get rid of, why welfare? If you're a TPE whore, it doesn't effect you. If you're a solid member who usually does point tasks, it allows you to still earn some TPE (based on how long/productive you've been) in weeks where you can't do a PT for some reason. If you just don't have the time to do PTs on a regular basis, welfare allows you to still be a productive member of the league. I really can't think of a single good reason to get rid of it. Hell, I wish other leagues like SBA, SHL, etc... had welfare since then I could actually be a contributing member in those leagues while still giving 95% of my time to the VHL. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted January 8, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 8, 2014 Without welfare I think I wouldn't have been here through Qin lol. Kanou would also have never been made without carryover. I REJECT YOUR IDEA BASH! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grumpy Bear 347 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Well I obviously knew it would never happen when I posted it but it would achieve everything you are trying to accomplish with new members. It's cool we can throw enough TPE at new members so they can be equal to top end recreates and middle of the road recreates can suffer. Also Achievement tracker is the thing I think is complete bullshit. Not one member from my draft class added more TPE than I did after I made my player but I got 7 TPE from achievement tracker when pretty well every other draftee got 20 because they were on stacked teams. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squinty 116 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Well I obviously knew it would never happen when I posted it but it would achieve everything you are trying to accomplish with new members. It's cool we can throw enough TPE at new members so they can be equal to top end recreates and middle of the road recreates can suffer. Also Achievement tracker is the thing I think is complete bullshit. Not one member from my draft class added more TPE than I did after I made my player but I got 7 TPE from achievement tracker when pretty well every other draftee got 20 because they were on stacked teams. and at the same time, cause old members to leave the site. one step forward two steps back? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Well I obviously knew it would never happen when I posted it but it would achieve everything you are trying to accomplish with new members. It's cool we can throw enough TPE at new members so they can be equal to top end recreates and middle of the road recreates can suffer. Also Achievement tracker is the thing I think is complete bullshit. Not one member from my draft class added more TPE than I did after I made my player but I got 7 TPE from achievement tracker when pretty well every other draftee got 20 because they were on stacked teams. 13 TPE isn't going to mean much in the long run. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grumpy Bear 347 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 and at the same time, cause old members to leave the site. one step forward two steps back? It has been stated many times that this thread is not for, in favor of or care what so ever about the old members. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grumpy Bear 347 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 13 TPE isn't going to mean much in the long run. Funny thing it does, 13 puts me with more TPE than you, likely #1 C in Riga instead of you and the better linemates and 3-4 minutes more a game that you get over my player and likely in the running for ROTY. Without the 13 I'll sit back and coast to 30 less points which is nothing to you obviously. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Bushito, you come off as very selfish in the ideas you purpose in here. Just the way it seems you want the things you suggested to help you either look better or be better off. Not knocking you, just saying that we are looking at this as a whole. There is no need to get worked up either, we are just discussing Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted January 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't sew any flaws in the first gen first year 10 TPE boost, and it's completely insignificant in the long run of player builds, so yeah, that is totally getting implemented. And Bash wtf was that Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't sew any flaws in the first gen first year 10 TPE boost, and it's completely insignificant in the long run of player builds, so yeah, that is totally getting implemented. And Bash wtf was that So training camp becomes available from the moment a player joins a team, so just like in the VHL, the GM has to choose which kind of camp he wants to offer? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted January 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 8, 2014 Theres no choice in the VHL. All three are always available. It used to count against teams' cash flows but those were scrapped in S12 or so because they were too flawed. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Theres no choice in the VHL. All three are always available. It used to count against teams' cash flows but those were scrapped in S12 or so because they were too flawed. I meant which attributes players can improve through camp. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted January 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 8, 2014 Same as VHL would make sense. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grumpy Bear 347 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Bushito, you come off as very selfish in the ideas you purpose in here. Just the way it seems you want the things you suggested to help you either look better or be better off. Not knocking you, just saying that we are looking at this as a whole. There is no need to get worked up either, we are just discussing How does anything I purposed help me in any way? It doesn't, you bitch at me that you need this discussion so I put my 2 cents in and I'm a douchebag. I guess I'll copy and paste your opinions so I can be accepted. Also, I'm not worked up just giving my point of view. Toast 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,658 Posted January 8, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 8, 2014 Don't even bother with the training camp, just give new players 10 on the Signup form. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't think that more free TPE is the answer to increasing activity. Re-creates have worked hard for their carryover and I doubt that many new members think of the lead as something that bothers them. If a GM is playing them behind a line of re-creates then it makes sense but other than that I don't see it as an issue. I just don't see the reason the change the Achievement Tracker or to add a training camp. This is actually a very common complaint, we have taken steps over the years to lower the carryover amount. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 In the end, just do what I say and we are done haha Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanesEuntDomus 442 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Don't even bother with the training camp, just give new players 10 on the Signup form. Wait I thought you wanted to reward activity, not just hand out some free TPE ? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,940 Posted January 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 8, 2014 In the end, just do what I say and we are done hahaso nothing? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/3549-vhlm-waiver-discussion/page/16/#findComment-27738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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